I hate this comment a lot. The person you have imagined who has a regular situation and is totally fine but just doesn't care to wash and smells awful because they are just a dumb slob, they might very well be real, maybe they will see it. Idk I have never encountered that, I have encountered many many people however who are mentally ill or neurodivergent (also physically disabled as someone else said) and have trouble with it. That is who you are really talking about, that is who you are really calling lazy and stinky, saying are worthy of degrading
Nah there are plenty of lazy people. A lot of people here could attest to having had at least one roommate at some point or another who is simply inconsiderate. The tweeter in question is just that.
I think I made the point just fine. It's about means. If you have the means to wash and you do not then you are the problem. If you do not have the means due to ability or other reasons then it is completely understandable. People that do have the means and do not wash are disrespecting everyone that would like to but can not, and making life less pleasant simply because they are lazy.
please read the comment you responded to. What looks like 'just laziness' from an outside observer can be a manifestation of terminal depression, anxiety, and other conditions.
Yeah, but it doesn't represent the point I'm making. It's only relevant in that it's someone pretending to have an argument that sounds like what I'm talking about. Please don't do this.
If I will accept that this specific overly-online anime-pfp anarchist is not at all mentally ill for an absolute fact, and is as you assume personally very smelly and lazy, will you accept that other than in this case it is often difficult to judge what means a person has or what personal issues someone has from just a whiff? Although there is no common ground here for us really. I am unmoveable really because I think being so lazy you do not wash is itself a state of mental unwellness significant enough to invite compassion rather than hatred.
One of the reasons this bugs me so much is that when some people do it it really does come off as like. Nazi shit. Hygiene - not only racial hygiene, but physical cleanliness, was fundamental to the Nazi program of dehumanization. To this day I dare you go into any neonazi space online and count how long it takes you to get to someone using smell to be racist. Not you though, "These lazy assholes are ruining it for the rest of us with their BO, and disrespecting people with actual problems!" is not nazi shit, you just sounds like a bog standard middle aged conservative uncle
will you accept that other than in this case it is often difficult to judge what means a person has or what personal issues someone has from just a whiff?
I accept that.
I am unmoveable really because I think being so lazy you do not wash is itself a state of mental unwellness significant enough to invite compassion rather than hatred.
I won't accept laziness as a state of mental unwellness and even if I were to I would still end up saying that communists should not promote that position because it plays directly into the hands of those that claim socialists are just lazy and do not want to work.
This entire issue basically killed /r/antiwork's momentum. It is not a road communists should go down.
I think you may be right about it being a loser for communism, and to a lesser extent anarchism, as like. Online brands, which is you are correct to point out, the game here. And yeah I don't think I would ever raise this one at a meeting, aside from it being contentious its also not really actionable. But because it is my profession and since I don't watch much youtube any more I am much more of a disability advocate than I am a communist I guess
It is actionable in the same way invisible disability is actionable, the same way we work against ableism. But I wouldn't because it would distance the left very hard from workers who would see it as defending laziness and that goes down like a lead balloon with most people.
I do think we should push against the ostracisation of unclean people without the means to be clean or other mitigating factors though, primarily homelessness. However if teenage "anarchists" start spreading this shit with any frequency on twitter then it'll end up harming that as bringing it up at all will create the emotional connections in people which is the opposite of what we want.
The tweeter is similar to the children who keep calling bedtimes authoritarianism and opposing other general parenting things as "hierarchy". There are some people with incredibly bad takes.
I hate this comment a lot. The person you have imagined who has a regular situation and is totally fine but just doesn't care to wash and smells awful because they are just a dumb slob, they might very well be real, maybe they will see it. Idk I have never encountered that, I have encountered many many people however who are mentally ill or neurodivergent (also physically disabled as someone else said) and have trouble with it. That is who you are really talking about, that is who you are really calling lazy and stinky, saying are worthy of degrading
Nah there are plenty of lazy people. A lot of people here could attest to having had at least one roommate at some point or another who is simply inconsiderate. The tweeter in question is just that.
I think I made the point just fine. It's about means. If you have the means to wash and you do not then you are the problem. If you do not have the means due to ability or other reasons then it is completely understandable. People that do have the means and do not wash are disrespecting everyone that would like to but can not, and making life less pleasant simply because they are lazy.
please read the comment you responded to. What looks like 'just laziness' from an outside observer can be a manifestation of terminal depression, anxiety, and other conditions.
Not in people tweeting about this shit it's not.
I'm sorry but the tweet is almost entirely unrelated. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
It is literally the entire basis from which this thread stems from
Yeah, but it doesn't represent the point I'm making. It's only relevant in that it's someone pretending to have an argument that sounds like what I'm talking about. Please don't do this.
If I will accept that this specific overly-online anime-pfp anarchist is not at all mentally ill for an absolute fact, and is as you assume personally very smelly and lazy, will you accept that other than in this case it is often difficult to judge what means a person has or what personal issues someone has from just a whiff? Although there is no common ground here for us really. I am unmoveable really because I think being so lazy you do not wash is itself a state of mental unwellness significant enough to invite compassion rather than hatred.
One of the reasons this bugs me so much is that when some people do it it really does come off as like. Nazi shit. Hygiene - not only racial hygiene, but physical cleanliness, was fundamental to the Nazi program of dehumanization. To this day I dare you go into any neonazi space online and count how long it takes you to get to someone using smell to be racist. Not you though, "These lazy assholes are ruining it for the rest of us with their BO, and disrespecting people with actual problems!" is not nazi shit, you just sounds like a bog standard middle aged conservative uncle
I accept that.
I won't accept laziness as a state of mental unwellness and even if I were to I would still end up saying that communists should not promote that position because it plays directly into the hands of those that claim socialists are just lazy and do not want to work.
This entire issue basically killed /r/antiwork's momentum. It is not a road communists should go down.
I think you may be right about it being a loser for communism, and to a lesser extent anarchism, as like. Online brands, which is you are correct to point out, the game here. And yeah I don't think I would ever raise this one at a meeting, aside from it being contentious its also not really actionable. But because it is my profession and since I don't watch much youtube any more I am much more of a disability advocate than I am a communist I guess
It is actionable in the same way invisible disability is actionable, the same way we work against ableism. But I wouldn't because it would distance the left very hard from workers who would see it as defending laziness and that goes down like a lead balloon with most people.
I do think we should push against the ostracisation of unclean people without the means to be clean or other mitigating factors though, primarily homelessness. However if teenage "anarchists" start spreading this shit with any frequency on twitter then it'll end up harming that as bringing it up at all will create the emotional connections in people which is the opposite of what we want.
The tweeter is similar to the children who keep calling bedtimes authoritarianism and opposing other general parenting things as "hierarchy". There are some people with incredibly bad takes.