Kirk and Spock both kind of suck ngl, everyones allways about Spock and Kirk but I'm over here relating to the grumpy doctor way more.
I hate the way the oogles the women on the Enterprise. Like he's stop and turn when a younger crew member walks past him, which feels really creepy in 2024.
Yes Kirk and McCoy are super icky around women. Completely ruined the series for me.
if you think that was bad you should see public life in the 60s
I’d rather not. To be honest this comment rubs me the wrong way a little. I didn’t live in the 60s but I’ve been sexually assaulted more than once as a kid and as an adult and I feel like I should be able to complain about a series that shows the same behaviour as the men who assaulted me.
Telling me that in the past things were way worse does not change the fact that I’m heavily traumatised, in fact it makes me feel much worse.
there's some mismatch when some people are talking about star trek as entertainment product and others star trek as historical artifact
i'm certainly not defending anything, the show is radical on nationality and race but the gender politics fall off a cliff other than Uhura being 3rd in command (which is never paid off, in practice it was just a detail for people who knew about US navy ranks) and the cultural context of the miniskirt in womens' lib at the time.
I think it was the Enterprise-D that did it for me more than anything else. Coming home from yet another shitty day at school as a kid, turning on the TV, and suddenly there is this huge, incredibly powerful ship that can do anything and go anywhere. It really made an impression on me.
The Freudian design of the Enterprise (particularly the Enterprise-D) also wasn’t lost on my unconscious: a huge breast (the saucer section) with two huge dicks (the warp nacelles) plus a vagina (the sensor array). The Enterprise-E (and Voyager) both have a more phallic appearance (they look like spearheads), reflecting the series’ move away from families and getting it on and more toward fighting aliens.
Also Berman sucks but he was in charge of Star Trek during its golden age IMO. Nutrek is unwatchable. I looked at Picard getting his new enterprise and couldn’t help thinking: everything is the same but worse. The economic base is stuck which means that the ideological superstructure is also stuck.
Kirk never really did it for me, I was always a Picard guy, and now I’m also a Sisko guy. I thought DS9 was boring and confusing when I saw it as a kid, and after my kids and I watched the whole thing together they couldn’t believe that I thought that. They loved DS9 because they thought it had more pew-pew than any other series. There are good episodes of Voyager and Enterprise too (particularly the alternative universe episodes where the entire crew is fucking and murdering each other…). The Voyager episodes where Red from That Seventies Show is obsessively fucking with the timeline are also good.
My favorite bad trek movie is Generations btw. Everyone knows it’s bad so you don’t have to convince me. It was the first one I saw in the theater so it has some nostalgic value for me. What’s YOUR favorite bad trek movie?
The Freudian design of the Enterprise (particularly the Enterprise-D) also wasn’t lost on my unconscious: a huge breast (the saucer section) with two huge dicks (the warp nacelles) plus a vagina (the sensor array). The Enterprise-E (and Voyager) both have a more phallic appearance (they look like spearheads), reflecting the series’ move away from families and getting it on and more toward fighting aliens.
New site tagline?
a huge breast (the saucer section) with two huge dicks (the warp nacelles) plus a vagina (the sensor array)
TOS in general is not good. I agree with you on Kirk but I think Spock is the only reason to even watch TOS (and I recommend that no one actually watch TOS).
Wait? What? I need to watch more episodes.
God damn 1960s
Is Sulu at least cool?
Chekov?
Uhura and maybe Scotty are the only cool people in TOS. If you want good characters, you gotta hold out for Miles "The Real O'G" O'Brien.
I keep thinking about that one TOS episode where the moral is that you shouldn't beat your wife because who's gonna cook you breakfast?
Incels out here idolizing Harry Mudd and saying shit like "based and Muddpilled"
Chekov fucking sucks. He's just there for cokic relief, but every joke is just shitty womanizing or Chekov is just a brainwashed Russian.
idk and we're going to look back on DS9 the same way eventually.
the things that TOS did right, i.e. racial and national diversity, women in the workplace at all, a black woman 3rd in command, a russian character on TV who wasn't a cartoon villain, miniskirts at a time when that was a symbol of the liberation movement rather than objectification, and so on are things we take for granted and for a couple decades now modern viewers don't have much to contrast against the stuff that we've grown beyond.
Kirk is, for me, probably the biggest hurdle that prevents me from watching original Trek
"He was a product of his time"
His time: sci-fi socialist utopia where he has no excuse to be such a womanizer.
