asking because i see libs claim this
No, never. No other languages were banned. Russian was more prominently pushed in the other SSRs as a second language. But it's not really different to how much English is forced on everyone today.
i've seen lib scholars push that it was banned in the 1930s, i know its untrue but its such a strange claim lol
i've seen lib scholars push that it was banned in the 1930s
That’s called academic fraud
Yeah but i haven't seen refutations so im having a tough time with it
making up bullshit that is 10 times as hard to debunk is a favorite pastime of libs
Tell them that’s not how burden of proof works. It’s their job to prove their allegations. If they make a claim without evidence it can be refuted without evidence.
I mean, there is a lot to be said about Soviet linguistics and how language politics both helped and harmed various languages in the Union, but that isn't for me to say and in any case the USSR never banned Ukrainian or any other language.
im just going to say all the parts on the soviet section say 'clarification needed' or site source 20 which is Ukrainian religious right blog post that itself cites no sources
All of them you say? Look harder. I'm blind and can see that's not actually the case. Also it's Wikipedia. Take it with a grain of salt. See my other post. Go read some books about it from non wester sources. Some of them are even in English if you don't read Ukrainian or Russian or Polish.
no literally just look thats what it does
its either source 20 or "clarification needed"
just like click ur wikipedia
im talking just about the parts specifically on the soviet union
i know it happened, especially during modern and imperial times, but im just saying the sources in the soviet section are wholly inadequate
They probably are, it's Wikipedia after all. I've mentioned some people in this thread that you can read up on if you want more sources. I can gladly give you more resources if you want, but some of them are going to be in Russian or Polish.
autotranslate is a thing i can manage
yes i'd like the sources comrade
You know, I thought for a moment about not removing this comment, because it does seem like it's meant to be in good faith. But you are peddling obvious bullshit. You just went and searched wikipedia for a political issue. And as has been pointed out below, the source on wikipedia is a far right blog.
Pruned.
Do whatever you want. You won't change history that way though.
How about direct confirmation from people who've lived through it, myself included? Language suppression and antisemitism were things that absolutely happened.
Do you have proof to the contrary?
Maybe go read some George Y Shevelov, or Zhenya Oliinyk, or Tanya Skubiak, or.... There are MANY non western people that have written about this history. Shame on you for trying to hand wave that away.
How come my great grandma didn’t have any problems?
If we are trading anecdotes and so on. They are mutually intelligible languages, suddenly changing to english alphabet doesn’t make them incomprehensible to each other even now
What problems are you talking about? I don't have to ask your grandma, I'm old enough to have lived through some of that stuff.
Your favorite opera about cossack oppressors being banned? From that list egregious things are A) not teaching in schools/then in 70s making salaries higher for russian language teachers (time doesn’t make sense in that sequence, but whatevs) B)making dissertations in russian/ I assume not all national arts were some glorification of oppressor class
Thus we arrive at meh about language being banned, but solidly yes at it wasn’t encouraged/developed.
My great grandma lived through 30s-60s, spoke ukrainian for whatever it worth her whole life, was a math teacher if I remember correctly (don’t know what she taught it in, can ask relatives sometime)
Maybe go read some George Y Shevelov, or Zhenya Oliinyk, or Tanya Skubiak, or....
okay actually like 20 points for not mentioning ann applebaum or timothy snyder
