I gotta say the death cult shit on the left is so wildly fucking weird to me. it really is one of those just like entirely sociopathic things where people have just decoupled themselves from empathy so much through frustration and demoralisation they've ironically, which always ends up meaning earnestly but detached and with a thin veneer of dismissal, embraced this idea that horrific judgement day levels of shit is needed on certain countries and large groups (not talking about the bourgeoisie here, but the working masses), millions we all openly agree are shaped and brainwashed by systems outside of their control. do bad people and places cause unimaginable pain? for sure, but to then throw that blind injust dehumanised violence back at the masses that characterises imperialism and capitalism is full of this Christian evangelical smite and divine retribution of those who have sinned beyond salvation and must die to cleanse the world.

I already know all the explanations, 'it's just a meme', 'the imperial core did bad stuff so needs to suffer', 'the west will never embrace socialism unless enforcement via mass violence and destruction of all institutions and infrastructure'. but the thing is like, you read any text by international communists, black radical groups, anti imperialists, they literally all say 'we just want you to stop being assholes so we can be friends who work together', and so it seems to be this self hatred that fuels this than any outside demands, one which just seems really unnecessary and honestly childish especially from people who claim to have a deeper materialist analysis which breaks down why these opinions and actions are so common and systemically enforced.

  • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    People are just letting off steam in the face of a genocidal power controlling their lives.

    Holy shit why are we tone policing this

    Fascist: hey I'm going to murder you, your family, and everyone you've ever cared about. Also I'm not just saying it. Your government is funding me to do this. I have both a financial and legal obligation to uphold the threats I am making, and you can watch me uphold these threats in real time across the globe and at home.

    Commie: I'd prefer if you were the one that was dead instead

    Lib other commie: uh excuse me mr commie that's actually really problematic

    Like what are we doing here folks

    • ChairmanAtreides [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Commie: I’d prefer if you were the one that was dead instead

      I don't think that's what the OP is referring to here. I would assume it's moreso about jokes etc for mass violence against entire countries (Sink England, nuke America etc) that come across as insensitive and frankly weird/gross unless you understand the irony/context behind it and can assume the random person posting on a niche internet forum is joking and doesn't actually want mass suffering

      • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Nuke America would be a fucked up thing to say if America wasn't the one that was threatening to nuke everybody all the time, any other country in the world had launched a nuke at an enemy, posadas also didn't exist, and also if anyone here had any kind of control over such a thing.

        Maybe OP comes from some strange alt universe wherein this stuff isn't occurring

        • ChairmanAtreides [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          idk I feel like I can wholeheartedly want Justice :maduro-katana-1: : :maduro-katana-2: to be served to the bloodthirsty ghouls who run this empire but a vast majority of the people I know and love who live in the empire hate the empire and are kind, sweet people whose deaths won't bring justice at all.

          I know dismantling the empire will bring suffering of some sort to those living within and without, but to actively strive for the suffering of the masses of the empire seems like impotent rage imo

          Our end goal is liberation, not the suffering that can occur along the way. I feel like when people keep going back to ironic statements about the suffering and jokingly act like they look forward to the suffering, it can potentially reflect how right-wingers reinforce and indoctrinate into people their violent beliefs through memes. Obviously we're different from right-wingers and they actively salivate for day-of-the-rope type stuff, but it doesn't help if our posting patterns follow similar patterns

          • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            I'm saying the nuke the US thing isn't earnest, it's an over the top joke response to the reality of what the US does mixed with a meme about the weirdest leftist of all time, Posadas.

            It isn't serious, at all.

            It's a funny joke because of how fucked up the US is. If the US wasn't doing these things then it wouldn't be.

            It's also, and importantly, a completely unactionable threat, unlike the right wing shit.

            No one is making jokes about or supporting lone wolf attacks here. It's a joke about something we have ZERO power over.

            One last thing: I couldnt give two shits about my "posting patterns" being compared to right wingers.

            That's just going to happen anyways. You can be the nicest leftist in the world and the capitalists and fascists will still call you a monster and want you dead.

            There's no reason to placate this shit. The nuke the US thing is unactionable, it's not a threat.

            People will ALWAYS find something to demonize leftism under. It doesn't matter. Say whatever you want, you'll get camped no matter what if the fascists take charge.

            • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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              3 years ago

              Exactly all of this. I say :xi-plz: all the time, I would actually definitely prefer it if America wasn’t nuked to glass because I happen to live there and like being not dead.

          • Ideology [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            I think it's not a coincidence this got posted after we saw the Buffalo shooter manifesto.