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incels should take SSRIs
Removed by modget some zoloft in these frustrated and depressed young men. if it doesn't cure the depression it will at least remove sex as their only desire / signifier of success, which would probably force some perspective... is that what chemical castration is? have i chemically castrated myself?
I mean often times incels got other comorbidities going on like untreated anxiety or depression that an SSRI would help, but then there's those incels who want a partner for the platonic love and not just sex which a depression med isn't going to fix.
Neither depression nor anxiety are reliably treated by an SSRI, or any medication for that matter, or any known medical treatment for that matter. Come to think of it SSRIs are far better at causing sexual dysfunction than they are at treating depression: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6007725/
I dunno about that they worked for me, my quality of life got better when I was put on them.
I don't think anyone disputes that they work for some people, but only around 50% will receive any benefit whatsoever, that's being generous, compared to 25% for a placebo, a huge number of people are taking these for no reason except to reduce their doctor's liability should they harm themselves. And being technically "medicated" they are much less likely to shop around for something that works better for them or might supplement the ssri, which is almost always the correct treatment strategy.
While this is true (depending on what "reliably" means), it's important to know that the effectiveness of SSRI's at reducing depressive symptoms is about on par with therapy. Combined, medication and therapy are like 15-25% more effective than either treatment alone (which have 50-60% success rate).
Also compared to a lot of standard, or even 'gold-standard' treatments offered by other medical professionals for health issues in their field, a 50% success rate is not rare.
Not trying to be a debater, but I hope that if there's someone reading this who is on the fence about trying an antidepressant or SSRI isn't scared off from a treatment that could potential change (or save) their life, you know?
I don't think we have any fundamental disagreement. I think SSRIs are over prescribed not because people shouldn't be trying them but because their doctors aren't taking them off of it when they don't work or don't work well enough to justify the side effects.
Yes, true and true. I admittedly get hypervigilant about topics like these. There are already so many hurdles for people to start getting help, that I wanted to balance the convo towards a more "critical support" kinda vibe, instead of only criticism.
For a long time I only ever heard about why SSRIs are bad, and that stopped me from pursuing medication after years of being severely depressed and therapy failing me multiple times. It turned out I was in the lucky 40% whose first try with an SSRI works out
In a similar vein, the discourse against "self-diagnosis" had me gaslighting myself about my very obvious and debilitating ADHD, so I never sought an assessment until I was so burned out and cognitively drained that I could only work at like 25% of my capacity. Once I got over those help-seeking hurdles, and received my diagnosis and a prescription, I bounced back in a major way that I could never have fathomed.
Breaking out of the doom spiral may not be able to fix the relationship problem but it can potentially lead to a shift to a healthier perspective on relationships and taking steps towards self improvement which can result in one. Although this would require a feed of positive thought which I don't think they will necessarily be engaging with.
I used to know an incel guy back when I was one too, had an incel phase after a breakup and true incels are stubborn as fuck, so they're probably not going to break out of the doom spiral and get a healthier view on relationships or take an SSRI for that matter, since he also believed Alex Jones tier conspiracy.