Alternatively, how do I move myself towards other people who already agree with me to do this, instead of having to try to convince people who already don't really care for my company that my ideas are right? And who do I go to, to help me do that?

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    What is to be done?

    Well, what actual things do you do with those people that you already agree with? What material concerns does that activity have that might be answered by Marxist praxis? For instance, if you have a sewing circle, do some members struggle with affording fabrics? At work, even if you can't unionise, can you get your team to act more democratically? In sport, do members need daycare or physical aids or other supplies to participate fully?

    For pure propaganda, you know what works? A free BBQ, there's a reason every Christian Student org on the planet relys on it, and putting one on in a poor neighbourhood that's openly not charity but just a thing once a month or more can have a massive effect on health and finances for people on the edge. Bread and Roses, that's how you get people to listen. It can also be a good donation drive for org funds if you don't have members of means.

    I'm not saying yelling about the immortal science to everyone on the internet is useless, but they will be more amenable to mass action when Marxist thought has material effects on all the little things in their life. And that is a hell of a lot easier for a few people with small or no orgs to do.

    • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Well, what actual things do you do with those people that you already agree with?

      The point is that these people don't exist for me. I do not have any social bonds with my present community outside of my sister & parents. I want to go somewhere else where I can be absorbed into a party apparatus & do drudge-work for them. How do I do that?

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Ok, so you can move to a major city in the USA or elsewhere where there will be an org (usually many orgs that hate each other). Then study them and answer the questions and vetting according to watever their party line is.

        Any city will do, even conservative-leaning ones. And almost any org will do to start, even if they're weird trots talking about how Kropotkin was actually a Fascist or something it's better than nothing. The easiest way to move is to go to university. Might I point out many European Universities have free programs in English and they're not so hard to get into? Otherwise you're gonna need to get a job there and unfortunately the best way to do that in the west is Lrn2cde, for values of lrn2cde that include the much easier Digital Marketing and the somewhat harder Graphic Design. The great thing is many of these jobs are remote or semi-remote so you can work everywhere.

        You can also visit a Communist nation like Cuba or China under some of their party cultural exchange programs and get in touch with affiliated orgs back in your own country. English language teaching in China is also still a possibility despite the crackdown. A lot of the other methods are a bit grifty like being a token white guy in a business, but if it gets you out somewhere, fantastic.

        But ultimately, you need to make friends doing things you like doing in real life. If you just join an org and make it your life you'll burn out in 3 months. There is no way around this. Communists have hobbies and skillsets and social circles and the most important thing to do is build these because those are the levers on which we pull to build action. It doesn't matter if it's the local Warhammer group, it's something. Christman is bang on point about this.

        • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          edit-2
          3 years ago

          What is there that I can do that requires the least amount of functional interpersonal communication skills, doesn't require a college education, and is also practically useful?

          I want to be able to do something, but I'm literally only good at low-skill industrial labor.

          Like this part:

          Ok, so you can move to a major city in the USA or elsewhere where there will be an org (usually many orgs that hate each other). Then study them and answer the questions and vetting according to watever their party line is.

          Any city will do, even conservative-leaning ones. And almost any org will do to start, even if they’re weird trots talking about how Kropotkin was actually a Fascist or something it’s better than nothing.

          Seems reasonably accomplishable, depending on exactly how big of a city we're talking about. And I do intend on moving once I can get back to work. But I don't know about the coding stuff, or trying to be some kind of international smooth-operator.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            I mean, I don't want to push you into things you aren't comfortable with, but have you considered high-skill industrial labour? Germany at least has a free technical/apprenticeship program IIRC. And you'll be an immediate prize for any org that can have you.

            Other things to do, join a big union and be active in its internal workings. You can do this anywhere. This doesn't require you to communicate outside of basic professional standards, but does require you to be in a lot of meetings with libs and chuds with only a faint glow of class consciousness.

            Like...yes, there are some things like propaganda officer or lamplighter you can do while isolated in an org. but Socialism is...Social. At most points you gotta work with and talk to people, inside and out of the org.