The future you speak of is closer than you think. I truly believe if it were to ever come down to Bernie vs Trump (or proxies thereof), the establishment players would vote to abolish the presidency.
Bernie would have been a Trump figure if he got elected. I think we were misled by the pied pipers of the dirt bag left into supporting him. Now he's too old to run.
Can you expand upon this idea? I understand the feeling that Bernie would ultimately have been sort of ineffectual in the grand scheme of things, but I highly doubt he'd be a looming threat to marginalized people the way Trump was.
I think Bernie could've been effectual, even if moderately. I think we just have no idea what it looks like for someone like that to get elected president so it's hard to picture.
If he had the guts he could just abuse the fuck out of executive orders, as could anyone. Trump demonstrated that you can, the only reason the dems don't is that they're fucking losers, they use "norms" as an excuse not to use the powers but won't actually remove those powers as it enables the baddies that they're secretly in collusion with to do whatever the fuck they want when they've got power.
I think a Sanders presidency would ultimately lay bare the truth about how powerless the president actually is and just how much the DNC and RNC agree on.
yea, but I'm not sure how many people would notice. like Congress just decided to ignore Trump after J6 and the military command refused to take his orders - yet how many people are talking about that coup? how many people are even aware that it happened?
I don't think Bernie would have been ineffectual as president in 2016 or 2020, he just would be controversial. Let's start with the big issue, Israel. He would firmly be for a two state solution, he wouldn't support an Israeli apartheid but he definitely wouldn't have a stance that would please the left or right. You know how Trump visited North Korea to inflate his own ego? I would suspect Bernie would go to Tel Aviv, meet with Palestinian leaders, meet with Israeli leaders, and broker something resembling peace. I don't think Israel and Palestine would have bombed each other with Bernie as president but I doubt he would have gone to North Korea like Trump did.
As for other things he would do differently than Trump or Biden, he wouldn't of assassinated that Iranian general, he would of pissed off Saudi Arabia when they killed that journalist on US soil, he would have stayed in the Paris climate accords (not that it mattered), not him exactly but the media wouldn't have a figure like Trump to report on 24/7, Assange would probably be free right now since the Obama administration was afraid to touch him and the only reason why he got arrested was that he pissed off Trump and I doubt Bernie would have beef with him. Covid is just a wild card, I doubt he would handle it well, it blindsided the world, I think his pro-lockdown stance would be tested and that would be the reason why he would lose the election, one consequence of that is the Republicans would most definitely be open to vaccines because no qanon bullshit and they would blame China a lot more than they do now. If anything the anti vaccine people would be more lib and pro lockdown in the bernie timeliness. If bernie was elected in 2020 he would do better than Biden hands down, so would Trump. Afghanistan was unavoidable but he maybe could avoid Ukraine.
I think that's a load of baloney. The Dems always do the "I'm just a smol bean President" thing and I'm so sick of it. It's giving everyone brain worms. Let me spit some facts:
Every single US war since WWII has been an Executive-initiated "police action." The President has the authority to implement Antitrust action. (This was even done as recently as in 1998 with Microsoft.) The president has the authority to pursue action on white-collar crimes with laws already on the books (that aren't being enforced). Last but not least, the president has a very public platform they can use to appeal to the American public and shame Congress into line. There's a shit ton of stuff a motivated President can do. They just choose not to.
there's assuming that the president is powerless, and assuming that he's all powerful. You're doing the latter. The president is beholden to private business interests, so is congress. If they abuse the power capital gives them they will be removed and limits will be put in place to prevent that abuse from happening again. It took the world wars to codify into law the two term limit after Roosevelt broke tradition, it took however many dead presidents before Kennedy to properly codify a line of succession upon the death of the president. We've already had two presidents in our lifetime win by electoral college, I'm sure capital is getting around to that next.
In very recent memory, Trump had the power to pass a whole bunch of trade tariffs on China, India, Mexico, etc. while he was in office - which is a pretty darn major economic action.
Do you think Congress wanted that? Did he have to get legislative approval? Do you think that made (transnational) capital happy? Did congress restrict the ability of future presidents to take similar actions in future? (No.)
Also, the whole "let's send COVID relief direct payments thing," has been an executive-initiated program each time. Again, another pretty major action that runs contrary to interests of capital. (Though for this, the Paycheck Protection Plan/COVID business grants were a larger carve-out for businesses.)
The future you speak of is closer than you think. I truly believe if it were to ever come down to Bernie vs Trump (or proxies thereof), the establishment players would vote to abolish the presidency.
No, they'd just elect Trump lol. why wouldn't they do that (again)?
Bernie would have been a Trump figure if he got elected. I think we were misled by the pied pipers of the dirt bag left into supporting him. Now he's too old to run.
Can you expand upon this idea? I understand the feeling that Bernie would ultimately have been sort of ineffectual in the grand scheme of things, but I highly doubt he'd be a looming threat to marginalized people the way Trump was.
I think Bernie could've been effectual, even if moderately. I think we just have no idea what it looks like for someone like that to get elected president so it's hard to picture.
If he had the guts he could just abuse the fuck out of executive orders, as could anyone. Trump demonstrated that you can, the only reason the dems don't is that they're fucking losers, they use "norms" as an excuse not to use the powers but won't actually remove those powers as it enables the baddies that they're secretly in collusion with to do whatever the fuck they want when they've got power.
I think a Sanders presidency would ultimately lay bare the truth about how powerless the president actually is and just how much the DNC and RNC agree on.
yea, but I'm not sure how many people would notice. like Congress just decided to ignore Trump after J6 and the military command refused to take his orders - yet how many people are talking about that coup? how many people are even aware that it happened?
Yeah, it would have lifted a huge vail.
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I don't think Bernie would have been ineffectual as president in 2016 or 2020, he just would be controversial. Let's start with the big issue, Israel. He would firmly be for a two state solution, he wouldn't support an Israeli apartheid but he definitely wouldn't have a stance that would please the left or right. You know how Trump visited North Korea to inflate his own ego? I would suspect Bernie would go to Tel Aviv, meet with Palestinian leaders, meet with Israeli leaders, and broker something resembling peace. I don't think Israel and Palestine would have bombed each other with Bernie as president but I doubt he would have gone to North Korea like Trump did.
As for other things he would do differently than Trump or Biden, he wouldn't of assassinated that Iranian general, he would of pissed off Saudi Arabia when they killed that journalist on US soil, he would have stayed in the Paris climate accords (not that it mattered), not him exactly but the media wouldn't have a figure like Trump to report on 24/7, Assange would probably be free right now since the Obama administration was afraid to touch him and the only reason why he got arrested was that he pissed off Trump and I doubt Bernie would have beef with him. Covid is just a wild card, I doubt he would handle it well, it blindsided the world, I think his pro-lockdown stance would be tested and that would be the reason why he would lose the election, one consequence of that is the Republicans would most definitely be open to vaccines because no qanon bullshit and they would blame China a lot more than they do now. If anything the anti vaccine people would be more lib and pro lockdown in the bernie timeliness. If bernie was elected in 2020 he would do better than Biden hands down, so would Trump. Afghanistan was unavoidable but he maybe could avoid Ukraine.
That's enough bullshitting for today.
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I think that's a load of baloney. The Dems always do the "I'm just a smol bean President" thing and I'm so sick of it. It's giving everyone brain worms. Let me spit some facts: Every single US war since WWII has been an Executive-initiated "police action." The President has the authority to implement Antitrust action. (This was even done as recently as in 1998 with Microsoft.) The president has the authority to pursue action on white-collar crimes with laws already on the books (that aren't being enforced). Last but not least, the president has a very public platform they can use to appeal to the American public and shame Congress into line. There's a shit ton of stuff a motivated President can do. They just choose not to.
there's assuming that the president is powerless, and assuming that he's all powerful. You're doing the latter. The president is beholden to private business interests, so is congress. If they abuse the power capital gives them they will be removed and limits will be put in place to prevent that abuse from happening again. It took the world wars to codify into law the two term limit after Roosevelt broke tradition, it took however many dead presidents before Kennedy to properly codify a line of succession upon the death of the president. We've already had two presidents in our lifetime win by electoral college, I'm sure capital is getting around to that next.
In very recent memory, Trump had the power to pass a whole bunch of trade tariffs on China, India, Mexico, etc. while he was in office - which is a pretty darn major economic action.
Do you think Congress wanted that? Did he have to get legislative approval? Do you think that made (transnational) capital happy? Did congress restrict the ability of future presidents to take similar actions in future? (No.)
Also, the whole "let's send COVID relief direct payments thing," has been an executive-initiated program each time. Again, another pretty major action that runs contrary to interests of capital. (Though for this, the Paycheck Protection Plan/COVID business grants were a larger carve-out for businesses.)
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Unless this is a level 300 comment that flew over my head I think you're wrong
Sure Jan.
What is the “dirtbag left” in this context? The name gives the impression of something more capable of praxis than a Bernie Bro.