And stickied a big confidently incorrect explanation as to how it's only a Ukrainian military patch without investigating its origins. It is directly descended from the Galician forces of ww2, who were all nazis and committed horrific crimes, and everyone in the military knows exactly what it symbolises. They are PROUD of that cultural history.
"This nazi symbol isn't nazi because it's used by the Ukrainian military and the media told us there's no nazi problem in the Ukrainian military." is incredible liberal logic and shows just how brainwormed they are.
They will concede on Azov and only Azov and absolutely no other part of Ukraine, its military or structure has any nazi problem whatsoever that's all just disinformation!
I can't, they ban literally everyone that attempts to educate them. They do not want to learn. I was instabanned for messaging them about it at all. They will ban literally everyone that knows more than they do.
What you expect that a nation with a past involving the holocaust should have its use of previous symbols that Ukrainian Nazis used questioned or be off limits? But what if a German militant group wants to use the swastika in its original form and connotations?
They posted a better picture. It's a crowned lion. The Nazi patch has a lion with no crown on, but three crowns around it. It belongs to some Ukrainian mechanized unit that goes back to the Soviet era. It resembles the Nazi patch, but is not the Nazi patch.
It was coopted during ww2 by the nazis. The Soviets ceased using the lion post ww2 because of this, the lion only returned after the soviets and its existence is all about historical pride of what western ukraine did in that period.
Heraldry is pedantic in the extreme. Small details matter. The Nazi symbol is not a crowned lion. It's a lion surrounded by three crowns. I'm not willing to shoot the guy over this unless there's other corroborating evidence. I'll accept he's a Ukrainian nationalist but I'd need something else to suggest he's a Nazi.
You ever hear of a dog whistle, Frank? You must be aware of the concept. It's when you do something that nobody else recognizes as a signal apart from the intended audience. Plausible deniability is the point.
If they wanted everyone to know they'd just wear swastikas. Do you think it's a complete coincidence that thousands of white nationalists from around the entire world have been going to Ukraine for years?
Yes. I am aware of what a dog whistle is. The Rewhatever the fuck Lion has been a symbol of the region for over a thousand years. There are numerous variations. This is not the Nazi variation. This isn't like the Sonnenrad, or the Wolfsangle, or the life and death runes, or a million other little Nazi tricks. This is a Ukrainian mechanized infantry brigade that's been using the symbol for about thirty years since it's an ancient symbol representing the region where they are from. And unless you have some kind of evidence that there is more going on here, that this entire brigade is composed of Nazis instead of normal Western Ukrainians, you're not going to convince me to throw this guy up against a wall and shoot him in the head.
If the power-tripping nerd Reddit mod isn’t talking out of his ass, that patch is the insignia for the 24th Mechanized Brigade, whose predecessors fought under the Soviets against the Nazis.
They didn’t fight alongside Nazis until 2014, in the wake of Euromaidan. They have been shelling Donbas ever since.
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Edit: lmao, you linked that. Christ, this site sometimes.
And stickied a big confidently incorrect explanation as to how it's only a Ukrainian military patch without investigating its origins. It is directly descended from the Galician forces of ww2, who were all nazis and committed horrific crimes, and everyone in the military knows exactly what it symbolises. They are PROUD of that cultural history.
"This nazi symbol isn't nazi because it's used by the Ukrainian military and the media told us there's no nazi problem in the Ukrainian military." is incredible liberal logic and shows just how brainwormed they are.
They will concede on Azov and only Azov and absolutely no other part of Ukraine, its military or structure has any nazi problem whatsoever that's all just disinformation!
Tell that to the guy in this very thread saying it's not a Nazi patch lol
Also the picture is from Mariupol which is definitely Azov
I can't, they ban literally everyone that attempts to educate them. They do not want to learn. I was instabanned for messaging them about it at all. They will ban literally everyone that knows more than they do.
Nah scroll down we got one here right now lol
What you expect that a nation with a past involving the holocaust should have its use of previous symbols that Ukrainian Nazis used questioned or be off limits? But what if a German militant group wants to use the swastika in its original form and connotations?
lmao you had me furiously typing my response halfway through this
?? I don't see them
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Really? They've been a member here a year?
Yeah I know surprised me as well.
I went over their posts though and they've got some real sus stuff
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That said even reddit dweebs can be bullied into learning
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They posted a better picture. It's a crowned lion. The Nazi patch has a lion with no crown on, but three crowns around it. It belongs to some Ukrainian mechanized unit that goes back to the Soviet era. It resembles the Nazi patch, but is not the Nazi patch.
Sometimes you get a false positive.
It was coopted during ww2 by the nazis. The Soviets ceased using the lion post ww2 because of this, the lion only returned after the soviets and its existence is all about historical pride of what western ukraine did in that period.
Heraldry is pedantic in the extreme. Small details matter. The Nazi symbol is not a crowned lion. It's a lion surrounded by three crowns. I'm not willing to shoot the guy over this unless there's other corroborating evidence. I'll accept he's a Ukrainian nationalist but I'd need something else to suggest he's a Nazi.
You ever hear of a dog whistle, Frank? You must be aware of the concept. It's when you do something that nobody else recognizes as a signal apart from the intended audience. Plausible deniability is the point.
If they wanted everyone to know they'd just wear swastikas. Do you think it's a complete coincidence that thousands of white nationalists from around the entire world have been going to Ukraine for years?
Yes. I am aware of what a dog whistle is. The Rewhatever the fuck Lion has been a symbol of the region for over a thousand years. There are numerous variations. This is not the Nazi variation. This isn't like the Sonnenrad, or the Wolfsangle, or the life and death runes, or a million other little Nazi tricks. This is a Ukrainian mechanized infantry brigade that's been using the symbol for about thirty years since it's an ancient symbol representing the region where they are from. And unless you have some kind of evidence that there is more going on here, that this entire brigade is composed of Nazis instead of normal Western Ukrainians, you're not going to convince me to throw this guy up against a wall and shoot him in the head.
Posted this in the other thread:
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Edit: lmao, you linked that. Christ, this site sometimes.