i get what you're saying pro-gun people but honestly you americans are so fucking twisted on this gun shit, i get that theoretically they could be used to resist oppression and overthrow the capitalists etc but that aint happening, has never happened and in the mean time its just fucking godawful
Most of the major strikes and worker revolts of US history were armed until we became fully libified.
Damnation on Netflix is a pretty satisfying show about a Farmer's Strike in the 20's. Kinda takes all the memes about old school US uprisings and packs them into a single show.
no revolutions, just hundreds of worker revolts and the closest thing we ever got to an actual socialist revolution by the BPP
i'll keep em, thanks.
Americans have been so completely captured by liberalism that even many on the left support the second amendment as some kind of universal right. I see leftists all the time like "calm down, we're not going to take your guns". Yes we fucking are lmao, you're insane reactionaries and your kind constantly commits mass shootings of course we're going to disarm you.
The American state will never disarm reactionaries. That's why we oppose the American state. In a future revolutionary America, chuds won't be allowed to own guns. It's that simple, and this is such an obviously correct response to "how do we stop school shootings" that I don't know why everyone on here knee-jerk starts to make "come and take them" tier arguments against liberal gun control every time a kid gets shot even though it's completely beside the point.
This is literally the same thing as the free speech argument. Yes, it would be great if it applied to us. No, it doesn't. No, the government will never prevent it from applying to our enemies. The whole "first amendment" is beside the point, and acting like you support free speech as a universal right is hypocritical at best and counterproductive in case of an actual revolution if you're serious.
This whole debate would also be a lot more consequential if the American left were capable of even organizing a dinner party, never mind a revolution.
Also guns used to be held at armories managed by the party or union, not individuals. I know that at least in the austrian civil war there were weapon stashes in compounds and hotels and stuff.
Times a leftist committed an indiscriminate shooting in the US: 0.
Posts on chapo.chat about leftist gun ownership instead of white supremacy, fascism, rotting public health, neoliberal decay, ie actual causes of shootings: 0.
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that was discriminant: targeted officials. And that was a radlib if i remember correctly.
Are people shrugging, though? I think that the average American is completely isolated from anything resembling political power in this country. People are certainly stirring but they know that they are powerless as individuals and they don't know how to organize themselves into communities to challenge state power. Not to mention the constant barrage of ideological conditioning by way of modern media, and the lack of the material conditions that necessitate community... The atomization of the American individual is complete, I would argue.
The utility of weapons isn't even a factor in our revolutionary strategy at the moment. We cannot organize communities that stand in defiance of the state under our current understanding and our current conditions. Things will become much, much worse under the current conditions before a revolutionary movement can take hold.
When the gun debate comes up people start talking about rights, the constitution, amendments, congress passing shit as if any of that matters or is remotely relevant
There are only three points that matter: What kind of ban are you talking about, all guns or just some kinds, how are you going to confiscate them without triggering an explosion of right-wing violence and how are you gonna prevent white supremacist institutions from taking advantage of these laws to target POC communities
That's the real conversation, getting mad at larpers or pretending the US is or can be Australia circa 1999 is meaningless drivel
This is not how material analysis works. I know we're all rightfully emotional but we have to keep a level head.
Where did all this sudden blame on American leftists come from?
I'm more worried about the increasingly vigilant violence and how violent and racist the gun community is. Also, how the gun community worships cops and buys them off with discounts to weapons or range time. Like, the cops don't meaningfully enforce the law on their friends and I'm pretty sure their friends hate what type of person I am.
