• Nakoichi [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    My bad actually I wasn't giving the Young Patriots enough credit:

    Over time, the Black Panthers learned to tolerate Confederate flags as intransigent signs for rebellion. Their only stipulation was that the white Young Patriots denounce racism.

    Eventually, Young Patriots rejected their deeply embedded ideas of white supremacy – and even the Confederate flag – as they realized how much they had in common with the Black Panthers and Latino Young Lords.

    https://theconversation.com/chicago-1969-when-black-panthers-aligned-with-confederate-flag-wielding-working-class-whites-68961

      • Nakoichi [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Wish the "patriotic socialists" of today were as capable of self crit.

        • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, that'd be nice.

          They interviewed a former YPO member and one question was about why they chose the symbol and if he thinks trying to reclaim it now is a good idea and here's part of his response that I liked:

          As we grew politically and respected the Black Panthers and the Young Lords we determined that there was no place in the movement or the world for the Confederate flag. It symbolizes a period of time when our black brothers and sisters were mere property to sold or destroyed at the white man`s convenience. And that the Confederate flag was created to serve as a symbol of plantation owners to perpetuate slavocracy. I would not recommend it's use by any group or anyone or any purpose and believe that it should be destroyed as a tribute to those who suffered pain and anguish in a great dark period of our history.

        • duderium [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Lib theory of mine is that they're being funded by the Russians. Caleb Maupin definitely is. As for haz, I only have suspicions I guess. Patriotic socialists claim to be against American Empire, which would benefit Russia. They're extremely reactionary, which also benefits Russia. If patriotic socialists somehow took over America, everyone would be too busy killing each other here to bother them. But this theory might just be my hangover from Russiagate and I'm essentially writing this because unconsciously, I want to be ridiculed.

          And the thing is, the people running the USA are already patriotic socialists. They're doing everything they can to MAGA. But the thing is, there's only so much you can polish the poisonous turd that is America. You can't deliver universal health care, for instance—something that would definitely breathe new life into the USA—without infuriating the national bourgeoisie, to the extent that they would coup your ass. But I digress.

          • DinosaurThussy [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            There are absolutely reactionary elements of the left being fueled by Russia. Libs want to use Russia as a scapegoat and act like the US has some inherent moral high ground. But that doesn’t mean that Russia isn’t indeed doing a lot of the botting and disinfo that they’re accused of. They’re just not the only ones. But they’re not doing so for ideological reasons and should be treated opportunistically like any other capitalist state.

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            1 year ago

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