I think it's a generational shift. I think there's been a huge reaction against rockism (completely justified) in favor of poptimism, and music based on pop music, electronic and especially hip-hop is becoming extremely dominant. Punk is left in a weird middle space since it always positioned itself against the worst excesses of 60s/70s boomer rock, yet it itself draws from rock music, so it gets thrown out with the rest of the "rock" artists even though it tried hard to differentiate itself from them. Punk was also often antagonistic towards a lot of the forms of music now being embraced by the youth, like disco, pop and electronic music. Also, let's be honest, a lot of aging punks are just as bad as the white boomers with their exclusion of any type of music deemed "not punk enough." I also think punk has the tendency to be extremely macho and male-oriented, which most of the younger generation doesn't want. This is especially true of most beginner punk bands that you'd listen to if you were "trying to get into punk," like Black Flag and really most bands from the early 80s.
I think if punk wants to move forward, the genre needs to challenge the white, straight and cis male dominance of the scene, and also reexamine its attitudes towards other music genres. A lot of the hatred of disco and pop was cis male reaction, but I think there was also a rejection of what many considered reactionary and bourgeois attitudes. Those attitudes are separate from the music genres though, and the punks should really examine what it is they're actually against. I think punk has a lot to offer the youth, especially with its emphasis on anger and living under capitalist alienation, but it can seem very stuck in the gen X 80s and 90s, and it needs to move forward. Two ways to do this I think would be to embrace subgenres like emo, which was created as a reaction against the macho tendencies in the scene, and sass, which largely existed to make punk more "fun" and not so rigid to try and open up the scene to different groups of people (not just white males). It was supposed to be more "danceable" and sass would go on to influence the dance-punk scene in the early 2000s.
I think if punk wants to move forward, the genre needs to challenge the white, straight and cis male dominance of the scene, and also reexamine its attitudes towards other music genres. A lot of the hatred of disco and pop was cis male reaction, but I think there was also a rejection of what many considered reactionary and bourgeois attitudes. Those attitudes are separate from the music genres though, and the punks should really examine what it is they’re actually against. I think punk has a lot to offer the youth, especially with its emphasis on anger and living under capitalist alienation, but it can seem very stuck in the gen X 80s and 90s, and it needs to move forward. Two ways to do this I think would be to embrace subgenres like emo, which was created as a reaction against the macho tendencies in the scene, and sass, which largely existed to make punk more “fun” and not so rigid to try and open up the scene to different groups of people (not just white males). It was supposed to be more “danceable” and sass would go on to influence the dance-punk scene in the early 2000s.
this has already been happening, you just need to find the right punk bands. it's all about the bands you listen to
For sure ill take a listen. Just reading about it, I appreciate the inclusion of Dev Hynes since Test Icicles is one of the groups I was thinking of when mentioning dance-punk
Punk is the worst form of music, except for all the others
I think it's a generational shift. I think there's been a huge reaction against rockism (completely justified) in favor of poptimism, and music based on pop music, electronic and especially hip-hop is becoming extremely dominant. Punk is left in a weird middle space since it always positioned itself against the worst excesses of 60s/70s boomer rock, yet it itself draws from rock music, so it gets thrown out with the rest of the "rock" artists even though it tried hard to differentiate itself from them. Punk was also often antagonistic towards a lot of the forms of music now being embraced by the youth, like disco, pop and electronic music. Also, let's be honest, a lot of aging punks are just as bad as the white boomers with their exclusion of any type of music deemed "not punk enough." I also think punk has the tendency to be extremely macho and male-oriented, which most of the younger generation doesn't want. This is especially true of most beginner punk bands that you'd listen to if you were "trying to get into punk," like Black Flag and really most bands from the early 80s.
I think if punk wants to move forward, the genre needs to challenge the white, straight and cis male dominance of the scene, and also reexamine its attitudes towards other music genres. A lot of the hatred of disco and pop was cis male reaction, but I think there was also a rejection of what many considered reactionary and bourgeois attitudes. Those attitudes are separate from the music genres though, and the punks should really examine what it is they're actually against. I think punk has a lot to offer the youth, especially with its emphasis on anger and living under capitalist alienation, but it can seem very stuck in the gen X 80s and 90s, and it needs to move forward. Two ways to do this I think would be to embrace subgenres like emo, which was created as a reaction against the macho tendencies in the scene, and sass, which largely existed to make punk more "fun" and not so rigid to try and open up the scene to different groups of people (not just white males). It was supposed to be more "danceable" and sass would go on to influence the dance-punk scene in the early 2000s.
somebody can do 4th wave ska any time now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YO5ruvFSCU
needs more brass
this has already been happening, you just need to find the right punk bands. it's all about the bands you listen to
The newest Turnstile album does a good job of being hardcore but also being fun
For sure ill take a listen. Just reading about it, I appreciate the inclusion of Dev Hynes since Test Icicles is one of the groups I was thinking of when mentioning dance-punk