• SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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    10 months ago

    I think you misunderstood me. I am saying do not just go vote and then chill. Voting does not stop you from organizing, volunteering and getting involved in your local community and leftist orgs. I'm saying voting is not the be all end all. It's not the secret weapon. But it is a small, basically functionless tool for harm reduction.

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      • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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        10 months ago

        So you should vote for trump then. If you believe him to be the less harmful of the two options. This is me baiting you to tell me you think trump is a less harmful option. Or did you not understand what harm reduction means? Or was is just not enough people whomst harm would be reduced for you to think it's worth it? Or is the people's whos harm would be reduced not be worthy of it?

        I cannot in good conscious as a cis straight man tell my non binary partner that they need to be the sacrifice to the political statement of "sticking it to the libs"

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          • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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            10 months ago

            I am not saying shit didn't get worse under Biden. I am saying between Biden and trump that I believe it would be worse under trump and I do not see it within my rights as a group that wouldn't be targeted to cross my arms and say that I won't participate and risk people who would be targeted. I cannot in my own mind be okay with that. It's not my choice. I'm sorry that I implied moral superiority for this mindset. I understand this is my own personal hangup and I got emotional and argumentive. Sorry.

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        • panopticon [comrade/them]
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          10 months ago

          Harm reduction is when you vote for a fascist who arms and funds Nazis in Ukraine, while arming and funding the mass murder of innocent children. Harm reduction is when we decide that genocide is not a red line, this time

          • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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            10 months ago

            Genocide is happening either way, I believe the liberals will do less of a genocide because they at least try to pretend like they aren't doing it. Trump wouldn't care as much. More people would suffer. It's a small insignificant chance in terms of numbers of bodies on a page, but I truly believe less people fucking die this way. Is that not enough?

            How many human beings need to live over the other option to make it worth it to you? For me it's 1. And I genuinely believe Biden will kill at least 1 less person at least. I am not willing to sacrifice that person on pride.

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          • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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            10 months ago

            Just because voting doesn't matter in the way it's advertised doesn't mean it actually has no effect whatsoever. It does. Just not the one we was told. That means not to rely on voting as the be all end all, but recognizing at times we can shift things ever so slightly away from the worst case scenario.

            As for reduction, it doesn't require biden to do anything other than not make things worse than trump would. You answered the question. You believe that harm reduction as in, avoiding a worse outcome of an already bad outcome isn't worth it. If you can't have good, there's no point stopping the worst. I do not understand that stance, besides being blinded to material outcome by anger. I do understand anger. I feel it with you. I just cannot allow that anger to put people on a sacrificial block they don't have to be on.

            I pain for the palastinians. I cannot express that enough. But right now, with the methods readily available to us, I believe that trump would ruin more of their lives too. I can't be so angry as to remove myself from the outcome and pretend that it wasn't my fault.

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              • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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                10 months ago

                There is no point talking anymore. You are angry and resorted to insulting. I understand your anger. I share it with you. I genuinely do. Above all else, understand that.

                In the end, neither your nor my actions will do anything at all. Me convincing your or you convincing me has no effect on anything but each other. Understand, please, on my own morals of wanting the least amount of people to suffer at any given time, i just believe less would suffer under Biden. That is enough for me to be unable to not vote.

                I'm sorry this has driven us to this angry place. But as a comrade, which we both are, I love you. We are on the same side. Have a good rest of your day friend.

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                  • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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                    10 months ago

                    Inb4 their "So much for the tolerant left, now that you've scratched me, I have no choice but to abandon leftism entirely and become pro-fascist!" response.

                • NewLeaf
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                  10 months ago

                  Fuck off. They're going to have to invent a new insult because I can't think of one bad enough to call you.

                  Fuck you and everyone reading this since I'm sure you're screen capping a bunch of these and posting them in whatever fash hellhole you come from

                  Fuck you and I hope you reap the consequences of your shitty politics faster than the rest of us.

        • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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          Trump is a less harmful option. Biden is funding Israel's genocide because he rabidly wants to, at least with Trump there's a chance he might bail in the middle of it just because he's bored that day and he wants to cause some drama.

          • SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml
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            10 months ago

            I disagree with that gamble. I'm tired of fighting today. I didn't mean for this to turn into an argument. I'm going to log off and cool it. Think over what everyone has been saying.

            Just wanted to put it out there that we are comrades, even after this disagreement over something we both say ultimately does nothing.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        Because they're a liberal who has never considered political action outside of voting for the anointed dem every 4 years.

        • NewLeaf
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          10 months ago

          Liberals on reddit-logo were saying that the pro Palestine protests the other day "looked to coordinated to be grassroots" and are "Russian influence" because "they have the same goal as Putin" which is apparently making Biden look like an idiot?

          Know how I know these libs have never organized? Because apparently they think protests are when a bunch of randos decide independent of each other to go to a place and hold glib signs. They can't fathom that there are different groups that meet up and plan where the action will take place.

          • Adkml [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            They didn't see the march advertised on Twitter with a link to buy your own merchandise before hand so they assume it isn't a real protest.

            • NewLeaf
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              10 months ago

              That's true. We all know liberals won protesting with the pussy hat parade.