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  • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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    9 months ago

    Please point to me where this "bad history of antisemitism" in Marxism-Leninism is, I cannot find it.

    If you don't think Suslov was a virulent antisemite and his campaigns under Brezhnev were antisemitic, then there is no meaningful definition of the word "Antisemite" that you would accept and you are not worth talking to.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      The difference is bakunin is still taken seriously as a "great thinker". Most people have probably never even heard of Suslov. I also am having a hard time finding specific antisemitic things that he said because of how minor a figure he was. In fact most of the info I can find on him is from a video game mod

      • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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        9 months ago

        He was literally one of the most significant figures in the Soviet union during the Brezhnev era, like he's right under the troika itself but okay. Let's ignore him. Let's just go for the anti-cosmopolitan campaign itself.

        • wopazoo [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Imagine unironically parroting anti-communist lies about the history of the Soviet Union.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          9 months ago

          Then why is it so hard to find shit he said on this if he was such a virulent antisemite? Like I want actual quotes and writings attributed to him on this matter if he was supposedly that influential

    • wopazoo [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Could you provide a source for Mikhail Suslov being an antisemite? Wikipedia says absolutely nothing about him being an antisemite.

      Regardless of whether Suslov was an antisemite or not, this is not the time for Communists and Anarchists to accuse each other of antisemitism, considering that Zionists are currently cynically accusing all their critics of antisemitism as a smear tactic.

      • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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        9 months ago

        I mean I know for a fact that's wrong given that his personal wikipedia page is literally classified under "Antisemitism in the soviet union", and also mentions his personal beef with the jewish antifascist committee, and his role in the anti-cosmopolitan campaign. If you're just looking at wikipedia, you could check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union and search for "Suslov", but of course wikipedia is a biased source on soviet matters. If you want a non shitty source on the issue the Soviet union had with nationalism then The Revenge of the Past by Ronald Suny is good,

        • wopazoo [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          There was literally nothing in the entire body of the Wikipedia article that said or suggested that Suslov was an antisemite.

          On the "Antisemitism in the Soviet Union" article, Suslov is only mentioned once in passing: "Many of Brezhnev's close advisors, most principally Mikhail Suslov, were also fervent antisemites.[34]" The only citation is an anticommunist newspaper.

          Could you just... copy and paste some quotes from this book you're citing? I'm not going to read a whole book to figure out whether some random obscure character in the Soviet Union was an antisemite.

          • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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            9 months ago

            I'm not going to help you out here guy, if you see the parts about accusing jewish antifascists of being foreign spies, his role in the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, and describing closing down hebrew schools and just say "I don't see antisemitism" then I can't help you, and I'm not gonna try.

            • wopazoo [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              The burden of proof is on you. If you refuse to give proof to your claims, I can simply dismiss your claims without proof. It's a standard anti-communist to accuse the Soviets of antisemitism, and I don't need to give you the benefit of the doubt.

              • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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                9 months ago

                I mean your go to was wikipedia which directly mentions antisemitism by name and you still won't accept it. You are not engaging honestly, and you are the one who does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

                • Awoo [she/her]
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                  9 months ago

                  Do you also accept Jeremy Corbyn's wikipedia claiming he is an antisemite and citing mainstream newspapers as the evidence for it?

                • oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]
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                  9 months ago

                  I tried pretty hard to find anything to back you up, but I came up empty. He taught at Moscow State University, which apparently had an anti-semitism problem 40 years after he stopped teaching there. He is mentioned once in a CIA document titled COMMUNISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM, where his entire presence is him saying "No, these things will not be reinsti-tuted". A historian once sent a letter to Suslov complaining about Vladimir Begun being antisemitic. I can't read Russian, so I might be missing something, but I can see no evidence that Suslov is antisemitic.

                  There are also a few Mikhail Suslov's that aren't connected to the one we are talking about. One of them was Jewish.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          your source is that you googled "USSR anti-semitism" and clicked on the first NATOpedia link provided to you. Then you mock other's ignorance lmao