from Darker Nations by Vijay Prashad, page 174

i just want the world to be less miserable :sadness-abysmal:

  • duderium [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think Dengism amounts to "we will hang the capitalists with the rope they sell us." Unfortunately this means working with capitalists against communists in the short-term. This has parallels with the NEP era of the USSR, when the Soviets helped the proto-Nazis in the Weimar government rearm in exchange for desperately needed money.

    Like I remember listening to that Proles episode (I think it was) about the communists in the Philippines and how they've been fighting the colonial government there forever. Chinese foreign policy vis-a-vis the Philippines looks like shit; they jumped in and gave (an admittedly small amount) of weapons to Duterte when even the Americans weren't crazy about working with that guy; Duterte would of course use those weapons against communist guerillas there. But I think from the Chinese perspective if you're looking at the Philippines and how long the people's war has gone on there (just to take one example), maybe you start to think that the best way to rule the world is through economics rather than fighting, especially when you take the threat of nuclear annihilation into account.

    At the moment, for all its faults (70% good, 30% bad), Dengism looks like a stunning success, while MLM movements around the world really have nothing but a legacy of failure.

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      this could be a fitting analysis if the whole thing had anything to do with Dengism. Mao's positions and foreign policy takes were similar or even worse in that time . It was a sino soviet split thing that had little to do with reform and oppening up or dengism

      • duderium [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah but communism is forever so when it finally comes the prelude will look like just a little blip.

        • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Is it? It has to manage the transition back before it can make that claim. Will years of capitalism produce a party cadre capable of moving forward with that work when the time comes? Will the haute bourgeoisie that China has developed in the interim take substantive action to prevent that? We won't know if Deng's bargain paid off until the period of capital development is ended.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Nothing cited in the OP has anything to do with Deng as it was all under Mao. Deng already got purged from the party, only being partially rehabilitated in 1973.

    • drinkinglakewater [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      MLM movements around the world really have nothing but a legacy of failure

      This is a very "communism has failed everywhere it's been tried" remark

      • duderium [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I’m an ML. Show me where MLM has made a positive difference for the poor.

        • drinkinglakewater [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I fully admit maoism has a small footprint globally, but it's ignorant to say that it hasn't made a positive difference for the poor.

          Nepal was a monarchy until 2008 and that was ended because of a maoist organized PPW. Despite your critique of the length of the war in the Phillippines, there's peasantry under the protection of the CPP-NPA and the movement behind the NDF are actively helping the poor there, particularly LGBT+ and Indigenous groups.