Damn West coasters, way to lay the groundwork for Wrath Month.
"From Stonewall a brick and Portland an axe, respect our pride or expect our wrath"
Damn West coasters, way to lay the groundwork for Wrath Month.
"From Stonewall a brick and Portland an axe, respect our pride or expect our wrath"
More than half of the people flying that flag in a football stadium don't know what the SPD is and don't care.
I'm not talking about the SPD or Rosa in this case. ask them what they think of socialist states, past and present, ask them about Cuba or their opinions about the DPRK, ask them what they think the CPC's 95 million members or any other communist movement outside of the west for that matter.
They're going to hold shitty radlib opinions, of course. What I can't figure out is why you think there's any malice-aforethought in the use of a symbol most of them don't know any meaning for outside of 'antifascism'.
my point is that they don't need to know, or care, where this symbol comes from, the fact is that they are already acting undistinguishable from anti-communist by attacking or shunning other communists because they think they are ''redfash'', that, and their use of anti-communist symbols makes them, for a lack of better of better words, sus.
I doubt most of these people would even know the term "redfash". That's some highly-online shit that normal people wouldn't know from a poodle.
we can argue wether they'd call them Redfash, fascists, authoritians, commies or tankies all day long, but my point has already been made.
I'm just saying that you should consider them sus by default in the current climate, instead of making it about the symbol.
It’s precisely the lack of forethought and empty headed hatred of socialism that is dangerous.
Okay, but if you think the radicalization process is through rubbing their faces in history they are not going to care about, you should never be allowed to engage in propaganda campaigns, because, again, these people have no political education.
Who said anything about rubbing their faces? I’m rubbing your face. Because you are supposedly a socialist, and you should know better. You start out easy on people who are ignorant and try to get them into an educational program in a revolutionary organization if you can, ideally. Or short of that sell them on sale pitches until they are ready for that.
This whole “the proles are too stupid to know anything about history” combined with the “proles inherently know what to do just tell them they are being exploited” leads to Pol Pot (if they ever somehow gained power lol). We need education and discipline and leadership, and it’s not paternalist to say so.
You are not ignorant, you have no excuse for this apologia
Ding ding ding!
The Iron Front campaign was to show them that corporations can be beaten by organizing. That lesson was more important at the time. Individually, I tend to decline to use an Iron Front symbol (tend to, because if the symbol is going to rally antifascists during an actually issue on the street, I'll carry the damn thing), and the ones who are ready to hear why will get more than a "I'm not a fan of its history", while the others will get that message.
The proles aren't too stupid to know anything about history, they just don't care. The distinction is significant.
Explicitly Anti-communist fed-run synthetic left “movements” actually are a pipeline to real revolutionary communism, not a release valve back into the system. This very advanced pipeline technique is only available in the imperial core/west, which is why we have been so successful at organizing revolutionary parties
:very-intelligent:
inb4 accusations of sectarianism from the lady defending the iron front rosa-killing flag with the anti-communist arrow
You're not sectarian, you're just an obsessive with a very convenient ability to not read what is actually written and jump to totally unrelated subjects out of something that is either paranoia or a lack of the ability to connect your arguments. That's not the same thing. Your self-crit should be focussed on prioritization and communication, not sectarianism.
I haven’t been jumping to unrelated things, everything has been directly related. I’m just better at putting the dots together than you it seems and seeing the patterns within history and societies
I have an outside perspective on the west and it makes it a lot easier to see things like this without getting emotionally and narratively attached to a reactionary symbol
So then your shortcoming is communicating what you mean, because you certainly seem to jump from topic to topic as convenient and completely disregard what was actually said in order to castigate your audience with said jumps. Again, you're not a sectarian, you just aren't communicating well.
Mad that you couldn’t get me to agree that anti-communism is fine actually if we are doing it to sell out and water down our message for stupid proles
No, just trying to give you constructive feedback, because you aren't as effective as you think you are. I assume you currently feel very powerless and are trying to give yourself a sense of power by winning meaningless online debates. That isn't going to happen, but if you communicate better, you'll be more likely to find a sense of power that is actually constructive.
Shut up lib
Well, there's something to be said for attempting brute-force bullying, too, I guess. It isn't going to work, either, but changing strategies makes sense under the circumstances.
I’ll be the bad tankie, you be the good radlib. I’ll bully while you coax with honey and revisionism
Look, I'm not gonna kinkshame, but you need to work on consent before trying to set a scene. You're gonna need a safeword, anyway, because I'm whipping your ass.
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Thanks for the concern but I am able to use my phone sometimes at work, it’s not like I would be doing anything terribly productive elsewise. Miss me with that tone shit
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western left communities need a hardline anti-imperialist asshole to keep their tendency to drift into chauvinism in check and counter-signal the constant influx of natoid radlibs (which are far more prevalent and numerous than hardliners like me)
I’m playing my role in this ecosystem, and if I am banned another based comrade will grow to fill my vital niche
Man you really need to chill the fuck out with the hostility.
You've been banned before and you're going to get banned again if you don't start treating people with respect. You aren't winning people over with this edgy bullshit.
But the bullying worked. 2/3 anti-communists felt shame and deleted their comments. There are 2 less libs here than earlier today. You can ban me when I’m wrong, then there will be 3 less.
Also, I have never been banned on this comm before not sure what you are talking about. That would be ban evasion and against the rules.