Counterpoint: Fuck the british including the 4.000 britons peacefully inhabiting those isles who just want to keep on with their peaceful lives herding sheep and drinking tea. If they could they would colonize and destroy your country.
I'm not necessarily defending this stance, but NATO installing themselves in Ukraine could definitely be seen as aggression onto "disputed" land that was very recently Russian
Nobody said they were socialist, but they aren’t fascist either. They are a boring old bourgeois liberal capitalist state like Syria, Belarus or Nicaragua - all of which we critically support for their anti-imperialist geopolitical actions.
8 years ago NATO threw a coup and backed local fascist militias Azov, Aidar, C14, Sveboda and Right Sector. These groups seized the state via illegitimate violence and murder of political opponents and civilian massacres. They have installed people from the aforementioned Nazi groups into all levels of power. Ministers, governors, mayors, military brass, police chiefs, etc. are filled top to bottom with out-and-out Nazi tattooed fascists. These Nazi militias in the tens of thousands were absorbed into the national guard and allowed to maintain their symbols and hierarchy. They wield control.
Azov battalion’s founder is a billionaire oligarch who also founded and funded Zelenskyy’s party. Either Zelenskyy can’t stop his Nazi army from slaughtering civilians in the Donbas and breaching the Minsk agreements (ceasefires that his government agreed to), or he doesn’t want to. Either way the fascists make the calls.
Why couldn’t Zelenskyy get his army to abide by the Minsk II ceasefire? Their are videos of him going to the Donbas front in the civil war in like 2019 and ordering them to back down and follow orders and they laugh at his face and keep shelling Donbas.
No it proves the Nazis are de facto in control, and the US military fills in the gaps and funds and arms the Nazis. This is imperialist fascism, and Russia crushing it is based regardless of motive or if you trust their intent
This wasn’t just some militias. This is the national guard and the military. The military doesn’t obey the commander-in-chief and prefers their local swatstika covered officers and their guys in the interior ministry and intelligence. You know the people who actually wield the violent apparatus of the state.
The most important structural aspect of this issue is the Ministry of Internal Affairs .
Deputy Minister for Internal Affairs, Vadym Troyan, Azov Batallion nazi.
Minister for Internal Affairs, Arsen Avakov, Azov Batallion commander and nazi.
Why are these two important? Because the Ministry of Internal Affairs holds executive power over a HUGE amount of the important levers of power in the country, including:
National Guard of Ukraine
National Police of Ukraine
Special Tasks Patrol Police
State Border Guard Service of Ukraine
Ukrainian Sea Guard
State Emergency Service of Ukraine
State Migration Service of Ukraine
These roles, in control of nazis, gives free reign to the nazis to do ANYTHING they want. They control law and order in the country.
If you try to do anything the nazis don’t want they can just kill you or your family and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The nazis are the police. They will not investigate that killing afterwards.
What environment does this create? One where the nazis get everything they want because everyone knows they can’t go against them.
Judging whether a geopolitical action is “good” based on what the intentions within the mind of Putin are is asinine libshit.
Their action is objectively, scientifically anti-imperialist and anti-fascist and the intentions of the actors is not relevant, only the actions themselves. You cannot even know the intentions, so you just assume the worst to maintain your chauvinist or ignorant neutrality
Now you are talking about “flourishing democracy” as if that’s even a possibility in bourgeois dictatorships. Exactly how much liberalism are you huffing right now?
The “Ukrainian people” in the Donbas have made their decision, they are never going back to the fascist Ukraine that attacked them openly. They will be joining Russia, as will Crimea and Southern Ukraine. This is the natural consequence of collapse of legitimacy and power, and persecution of your own people.
Again, intentions don’t matter. They are not relevant. You can just analyze what has occurred with a Marxist anti-imperialist lens
You are judging current Russia off of future hypotheticals you have no way of knowing.
Judge Russia by their actions they have actually done, in the real world not the hypothetical one. Things like crushing NATO coups in Belarus, Syria and Kazakhstan. All objectively anti-imperialist actions, none of which they have annexed.
By the way, that mall story was actually that there was a massive arms and ammo warehouse right next door which is now a crater. Fire spread across the train tracks to the mall, which is a standing smoldering ruin from fire not missiles. It is the responsibility of Ukraine not to put their military targets right on top of heavily populated and trafficked civilian areas, or at least close the mall down. Russia striking an arms warehouse is a legitimate military target, it’s not their fault Ukraine always uses civilian hostages and human shields.
No offense but you couldn’t spot a Nazi state if it was running you over with a tank and gassing ethnic minorities right in front of you. This is as clear cut, 100% obvious as it gets and you are still in denial
No you agree that fascists exist within Ukraine. Fascists exist within every nation, that’s not even under dispute. You don’t believe Ukraine is fascist state when it clearly is dominated by fascists backed by imperialists (who work hand-in-hand, as seen with Al Qaeda, ISIS, contras, Pinochet, the ROC, etc.)
The imperialist finance capitalists (US, UK, NATO) and the fascist militaries. That’s it. There are no other factions. Both work together, both need to be destroyed.
I can’t believe you can’t recognize this after a cursory glance over the last decade’s history. Color revolution -> fascist paramilitaries killing ethnic minorities -> fascist paramilitaries gaining control of the government and absorbing themselves into it -> continued shelling of Donbas in breach of ceasefires -> destruction of all soviet legacy and glorifying Bandera
They could not possibly be more fascist than they are. How can you not recognize a fascist state?
I’m not really sure what your point is even bring that up, how is the Weimar Germany comparable to Maidan Ukraine? Did Weimar Germany have thousands of Nazi officials installed all throughout the government and control of the military, intelligence and executive branches? No, but Nazi Germany did.
Maidan Ukraine is much like Nazi Germany. Pre-Maidan Ukraine was more comparable to Weimar Germany.
This is their fascist aspect. They are also imperialists. They are an outpost and forward operating base of NATO, which has been training their troops since 2014; funding their military & building NATO airbases. The global imperialist hegemony is the Atlanticist bloc, the anglo-American finance capitalists. This includes the governments of USA, UK, western Europe, Australia, Canada, NZ and their compradors and allies around the world.
Anyone who opposes this unipolar hegemony militarily is functionally anti-imperialist, even conservative bourgeois dictatorships like Iran. It would be anti-imperialist, for example, if Iran invaded Israel to liberate Palestine (even if it was done for selfish reasons like regional power and influence). I would support this action, I would not “both sides” the situation and say that both Israel and Iran are fascists. That’s lazy flattening lib shit
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Counterpoint: Fuck the british including the 4.000 britons peacefully inhabiting those isles who just want to keep on with their peaceful lives herding sheep and drinking tea. If they could they would colonize and destroy your country.
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Wrong, anglos deserve death
only in chapo chat would a stuggle session start up about the Falklands.
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Oh the British empire defender has logged on?
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And most importantly, the people living there actually wanted to be Br*tish.
Hence the need for the war
To eliminate the people you mentioned
Wrong
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I'm not necessarily defending this stance, but NATO installing themselves in Ukraine could definitely be seen as aggression onto "disputed" land that was very recently Russian
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Are these Russian government fascists in the room with us right now?
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Nobody said they were socialist, but they aren’t fascist either. They are a boring old bourgeois liberal capitalist state like Syria, Belarus or Nicaragua - all of which we critically support for their anti-imperialist geopolitical actions.
Ukraine is quite literally fascist.
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8 years ago NATO threw a coup and backed local fascist militias Azov, Aidar, C14, Sveboda and Right Sector. These groups seized the state via illegitimate violence and murder of political opponents and civilian massacres. They have installed people from the aforementioned Nazi groups into all levels of power. Ministers, governors, mayors, military brass, police chiefs, etc. are filled top to bottom with out-and-out Nazi tattooed fascists. These Nazi militias in the tens of thousands were absorbed into the national guard and allowed to maintain their symbols and hierarchy. They wield control.
Azov battalion’s founder is a billionaire oligarch who also founded and funded Zelenskyy’s party. Either Zelenskyy can’t stop his Nazi army from slaughtering civilians in the Donbas and breaching the Minsk agreements (ceasefires that his government agreed to), or he doesn’t want to. Either way the fascists make the calls.
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Why couldn’t Zelenskyy get his army to abide by the Minsk II ceasefire? Their are videos of him going to the Donbas front in the civil war in like 2019 and ordering them to back down and follow orders and they laugh at his face and keep shelling Donbas.
Who does it sound like is in charge here?
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No it proves the Nazis are de facto in control, and the US military fills in the gaps and funds and arms the Nazis. This is imperialist fascism, and Russia crushing it is based regardless of motive or if you trust their intent
This wasn’t just some militias. This is the national guard and the military. The military doesn’t obey the commander-in-chief and prefers their local swatstika covered officers and their guys in the interior ministry and intelligence. You know the people who actually wield the violent apparatus of the state.
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The most important structural aspect of this issue is the Ministry of Internal Affairs .
Deputy Minister for Internal Affairs, Vadym Troyan, Azov Batallion nazi. Minister for Internal Affairs, Arsen Avakov, Azov Batallion commander and nazi. Why are these two important? Because the Ministry of Internal Affairs holds executive power over a HUGE amount of the important levers of power in the country, including:
National Guard of Ukraine National Police of Ukraine Special Tasks Patrol Police State Border Guard Service of Ukraine Ukrainian Sea Guard State Emergency Service of Ukraine State Migration Service of Ukraine These roles, in control of nazis, gives free reign to the nazis to do ANYTHING they want. They control law and order in the country.
If you try to do anything the nazis don’t want they can just kill you or your family and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The nazis are the police. They will not investigate that killing afterwards.
What environment does this create? One where the nazis get everything they want because everyone knows they can’t go against them.
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Moralist idealism. This shit is so boring. Look at effective actions and de jure power. Everything else is a smokescreen of ideology confusing you
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Judging whether a geopolitical action is “good” based on what the intentions within the mind of Putin are is asinine libshit.
Their action is objectively, scientifically anti-imperialist and anti-fascist and the intentions of the actors is not relevant, only the actions themselves. You cannot even know the intentions, so you just assume the worst to maintain your chauvinist or ignorant neutrality
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Now you are talking about “flourishing democracy” as if that’s even a possibility in bourgeois dictatorships. Exactly how much liberalism are you huffing right now?
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I’m not accusing you of anything, I’m recognizing moralism, idealism and liberalism in your comments and pointing it out
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The “Ukrainian people” in the Donbas have made their decision, they are never going back to the fascist Ukraine that attacked them openly. They will be joining Russia, as will Crimea and Southern Ukraine. This is the natural consequence of collapse of legitimacy and power, and persecution of your own people.
Again, intentions don’t matter. They are not relevant. You can just analyze what has occurred with a Marxist anti-imperialist lens
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You are judging current Russia off of future hypotheticals you have no way of knowing.
Judge Russia by their actions they have actually done, in the real world not the hypothetical one. Things like crushing NATO coups in Belarus, Syria and Kazakhstan. All objectively anti-imperialist actions, none of which they have annexed.
By the way, that mall story was actually that there was a massive arms and ammo warehouse right next door which is now a crater. Fire spread across the train tracks to the mall, which is a standing smoldering ruin from fire not missiles. It is the responsibility of Ukraine not to put their military targets right on top of heavily populated and trafficked civilian areas, or at least close the mall down. Russia striking an arms warehouse is a legitimate military target, it’s not their fault Ukraine always uses civilian hostages and human shields.
No offense but you couldn’t spot a Nazi state if it was running you over with a tank and gassing ethnic minorities right in front of you. This is as clear cut, 100% obvious as it gets and you are still in denial
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No you agree that fascists exist within Ukraine. Fascists exist within every nation, that’s not even under dispute. You don’t believe Ukraine is fascist state when it clearly is dominated by fascists backed by imperialists (who work hand-in-hand, as seen with Al Qaeda, ISIS, contras, Pinochet, the ROC, etc.)
The imperialist finance capitalists (US, UK, NATO) and the fascist militaries. That’s it. There are no other factions. Both work together, both need to be destroyed.
I can’t believe you can’t recognize this after a cursory glance over the last decade’s history. Color revolution -> fascist paramilitaries killing ethnic minorities -> fascist paramilitaries gaining control of the government and absorbing themselves into it -> continued shelling of Donbas in breach of ceasefires -> destruction of all soviet legacy and glorifying Bandera
They could not possibly be more fascist than they are. How can you not recognize a fascist state?
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I’m not really sure what your point is even bring that up, how is the Weimar Germany comparable to Maidan Ukraine? Did Weimar Germany have thousands of Nazi officials installed all throughout the government and control of the military, intelligence and executive branches? No, but Nazi Germany did.
Maidan Ukraine is much like Nazi Germany. Pre-Maidan Ukraine was more comparable to Weimar Germany.
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Not “a militia”. THE military. Fascists in Ukraine control THE military, police and national guard
This is their fascist aspect. They are also imperialists. They are an outpost and forward operating base of NATO, which has been training their troops since 2014; funding their military & building NATO airbases. The global imperialist hegemony is the Atlanticist bloc, the anglo-American finance capitalists. This includes the governments of USA, UK, western Europe, Australia, Canada, NZ and their compradors and allies around the world.
Anyone who opposes this unipolar hegemony militarily is functionally anti-imperialist, even conservative bourgeois dictatorships like Iran. It would be anti-imperialist, for example, if Iran invaded Israel to liberate Palestine (even if it was done for selfish reasons like regional power and influence). I would support this action, I would not “both sides” the situation and say that both Israel and Iran are fascists. That’s lazy flattening lib shit
*Disagree with the nuke part but that was clearly hyperbole I hope
Do not apologize for outspoken critical support of Russia’s anti-imperialist action
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falklands? i thought he was talking about russia and ukr**ne
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