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They do fight in wars
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They're the ones that get burned and raped and pillaged by invading (and sometimes allied) forces
Fuck anyone who says only men suffer during war. I won't stand for that shit.
They do fight in wars
They're the ones that get burned and raped and pillaged by invading (and sometimes allied) forces
Fuck anyone who says only men suffer during war. I won't stand for that shit.
Western men don't have to fight in wars, just don't join the fucking military dumbasses.
the draft will be back pretty quick when there's not enough volunteers.
You think people will respect it? What's going to happen if there's a massive quantity of people that are just like "nah" ?
the government could arrest you and force you into the military theoretically... though making openly disloyal people soldiers is usually a COOL ZONE idea
This is what I mean, if recruitment is low now then clearly people DO NOT want to go fucking die in a war.
You think you're gonna draft a bunch of queers and trans people into the military? That they won't be like "no" ? And won't be a nightmare to try and deal with training even if they submissively accept it? What about black people?
You think these groups are just going to accept being drafted to fight for a country they think hates them? Doubt it.
You're missing something here. Imprisoning lots of conscientious dissenters and using them as slave labour to disempower a nascent working class movement is very much something capital would do as the Empire crumbles.
Oh I absolutely agree that it might try to do that but the point is that it's far too numerous to succeed and would accelerate its collapse as more and more groups form internally that explicitly want it to collapse because they feel persecuted or actively harmed by it. The larger this pool of people gets the more likely that it would fail catastrophically in a situation where the draft is needed.
Depends on what they get drafted for and how fed up they are with conditions apart from that. i honestly don't think the US would survive something like the draft during the Vietnam war again, but lots of governments get away with drafting people for non-fighting positions, historically including most liberal democracies. fairly sure that any newly instantiated draft would be gender neutral, though. the constant discussion conservatives have about that in my home country always emphasizes that point, that they'll draft everybody (read: everybody younger than them). such discussions also usually center around drafting people for all kinds of services from military to nursing jobs to disaster relief. once you re-normalize that people have to go through a period of forced labor while they're young, why stop at military stuff? There's plenty of labor shortages in other areas.
i'm not saying this to defend the dude side here, btw. i think people who make the "b-but men may get drafted" argument as supposed evidence for an imagined "female privilege" are reactionary idiots and also engage in a pointless, individualistic act of bullshitting themselves to avoid facing the entirity of patriarchal opression that damages men, women and nonbinary people alike, but still very obviously has men at the top of the hierarchy and hands out the most privileges to men as a social group. arguing that some commonly not-marginalized group has it worse than anybody else is also a type of chauvinist liberalism and can be disregarded entirely, just to make this clear. i simply made my point because the US military complained just this week that they do not have enough recruits.
Are women going to accept that? Are they going to be like "yeah we want to fight for a country that doesn't respect our bodies" ?
Black people? Black women?
LGBT people?
There's a lot of groups that feel like the country literally hates them and I can see all of them saying "lol nah fuck that" to a draft. People aren't going to be particularly enthusiastic about dying for a country that is like this.
As soon as you get the military involved in labour shortages you are opening the door to people saying "this is literally a war against the workers". Deploying the military as scabs is a horrible idea that would lead people to revolution very quickly. Deploying soldiers against workers as a method of strike breaking would lead workers to treating their labour issues as a literal war against the state.
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Because it directly and immediately affects them whereas all the other things can be mentally distanced provided that their immediate material concerns are met.
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The 20% of the population that are lgbt will not have kids to threaten with starvation. It will be the individual and the individual alone making a decision between living in a difficult way or getting physically shot at. The threat is not large enough to make people choose getting shot at.
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Sure but that's happening in fewer and fewer quantities, which is why a draft might even be necessary, despite the poverty and the ever decreasing "middle" class.
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well the question there is if black people, and the lgbt decide they don't want to go couldn't the government throw them in prison. After all the nature of persecuted minorities is that they have neither numbers nor political power.
If as a group white men said they won't go the government would be forced to come to the negotiating table but more marginal groups could be more feasibly simply forced
20% of the generation that would be drafted (genZ) is lgbt. This is not at all an insignificant group size, it's absolutely massive.
The imperial core is in a situation where it MUST figure out what it's going to do with the lgbt community and how to integrate it into the military with approval from this group or it will be incapable of functioning.
Another issue is that a good portion of Americans might not be healthy enough for military service
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