It was made to be homophobic. The Reason it’s an insult to straight men is rooted in toxic masculinity and derived from homophobia.
You, a straight dude, don’t get to decide it’s not offensive it doesn’t concern you anymore than dumb ass white people in the south get to say the n slur is just a word.
Do you… do you think this definition was written by a person in 1890?
It’s a definition acknowledging the homophobic use of the word in its history and that it was earliest attested in 1890
Either way, people today are telling you the same thing as well, the point is it’s been that way for a while.
Either way when it was written, 1890, 890, 2023, doesn’t really address the fact I said before: You, a straight dude, don’t get to decide it’s not offensive it doesn’t concern you anymore than dumb ass white people in the south get to say the n slur is just a word.
Why do you think you get to tell people it’s ok for you to use a slur made up to denigrate them by the oppressor class you belong to? And why do you think you get to tell them whether or not they can find it offensive?
That doesn’t work bc you’re the one in this situation lacking the experience. You’re using a word that is target to gay people which you aren’t. You’re jumping argument, stay here. Why is it ok for you a straight guy to tell gay people it’s ok for you to say a word made up to reify homophobia commonly yelled at them when they were the targets of violence?
It wasn't jumping arguments it was making a point with 3 separate examples, again that you're reactionary and you argue with people calling you out instead of listening. I've seen it tons if times I remembered 3.
Were rehashing this one now bc you started defending this shit. We can get to all three as you wish but me bringing those up didn't evade anything I was just starting to address you, literally my 1st comment lol
You are evading answering me again, why do you think its OK for you to tell gsy people it's ok for you to say homoohobic stuff and rheyre wrong if they tell you a straight guy that it's nnot ok
@IllMake50moreaccount hey seems like you responded to an obvious shitpost and upvoted all your old comments instead of responding here, maybe you just didn't see it. I know you didn't nit answer it 4 times and make a new acct randomly bc you just don't have one that doesn't cause you cognitive dissonance so here's your opportunity
Conventionally it is used as an insult so that is why it is one. The contents of the world are not the important part here
In school there were several insults people used against each other (in Hindi) that we did not exactly know the meaning of. But like knowing they were bad is good enough
You literally would rather bend yourself into a pretzel to justify continuing to say literal slurs once you learned actually it hurts people then just grow up
You’re jacking off at work next to women SA bullshit you were on
idk people were upvoting me but then woops comments removed, but I guess the mod team is the god team m i rite
That there’s other dudes with an equally 0 amount of self awareness that upvote your shit doesn’t really mean much, you got push back from people effect by it for a reason and their opinion means more than your cishet white boy headass shit whether you like it not
The fact you can type a sentience like “cocksucker isn’t homophobic” is comically, pathetically brain dead.
Cocksucker is homophobic. It means you are a man who sucks cocks and that its bad to do so. Pretty cut and dry. It is however very fun to use and I don't think against the rules generally in most contexts
Sorry, that is how language words, what words mean is determined by a process beyond just 'what you think they mean'. Its a gendered insult as it exists in the English language, and consequently a homophobic one (although not a slur to my ear). However if you keep using it as you do, and convince others to, eventually you could be part of changing that meaning. I think its really funny to call women cocksuckers and yeah you could make that more of a thing
I mean idk but I feel like if it were a slur it would feel more like something you would yell at a gay person specifically but its really more a thing you call any guy. Its homophobic because the premise is that having gay sex makes you lesser but its not like a thing you'd yell at a gay person specifically you see? Its a fine line I suppose but key in this case because I think if someone calls someone else a homophobic slur, that is a homophobic person, but I do not immediately assume that hearing someone call someone cocksucker. Similar to how it doesn't make you a woman-hater to call someone a pussy, but its a bit of a sexist term in itself
I'm again making a general statement when I say "its a thing you call any guy", not you specifically but 'one'. When I say that I am defining it, and insisting that you take that definition into account when you use it since that is what everyone will understand it as. Your usage will be widely interpreted based on the definition everyone here is also insisting on, the gendered one, because we are correct and you are incorrect, technically speaking. But its not absolute, you could like. Get all of your friends to accept that you don't mean it in a gendered way and you all start calling women cocksuckers as well, and that's how language evolves
The real problematic bit though I think is the negative framing, that's what makes it homophobic in the first place. I think whatever gender is doing it, its great to suck cock, to gobble dicks deepthroat style and slurp down cum etc, so I might be inclined to use cocksucker as a positive term, of respect or endearment. But then, I would have to be careful using it that way, gotta make sure I am understood because it has that preexisting connotation as an insult. But if you aren't terribly concerned about that you could be the trailblazer there also, calling women and men and whoever cocksuckers willy-nilly, but as a compliment, "hey cocksucker great job out there on the field today"
please explain to me why this would be an insult in anyone's mind if they hadn't at least somewhat internalized homophobia/sexism/rape culture. like think about it. why is the act of sucking cock seen as an insult in the first place? Surely there is some sort of cultural and historical explanation for this and it isn't simply random.
You're wrong on this though. Fuckin' looking at pornography in public is both #1 removed and #2 basically a prelude to something fucked up happening during or after it. Calling someone a prude about it is also massive libshit.
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If you use it as an insult then it very much is
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If you call someone a cocksucker as an insult then it very clearly means you think that's a bad thing
Like if some chud called you a "fucking communist"
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Fuck it, i tried
:wall-talk: :rosa-salute:
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It's something that has been, and still is, used as a homophobic insult
I tried to get this through to you
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(Especially a homosexual)
It was made to be homophobic. The Reason it’s an insult to straight men is rooted in toxic masculinity and derived from homophobia.
You, a straight dude, don’t get to decide it’s not offensive it doesn’t concern you anymore than dumb ass white people in the south get to say the n slur is just a word.
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Do you… do you think this definition was written by a person in 1890?
It’s a definition acknowledging the homophobic use of the word in its history and that it was earliest attested in 1890
Either way, people today are telling you the same thing as well, the point is it’s been that way for a while.
Either way when it was written, 1890, 890, 2023, doesn’t really address the fact I said before: You, a straight dude, don’t get to decide it’s not offensive it doesn’t concern you anymore than dumb ass white people in the south get to say the n slur is just a word.
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Why do you think you get to tell people it’s ok for you to use a slur made up to denigrate them by the oppressor class you belong to? And why do you think you get to tell them whether or not they can find it offensive?
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That doesn’t work bc you’re the one in this situation lacking the experience. You’re using a word that is target to gay people which you aren’t. You’re jumping argument, stay here. Why is it ok for you a straight guy to tell gay people it’s ok for you to say a word made up to reify homophobia commonly yelled at them when they were the targets of violence?
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Only to point out to you that you have a history if being ignorantly reactionary and that you need to work on that
Don't wanna say bc you just like saying it more than you care about how it effects others or...? Do t see any answers here
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It wasn't jumping arguments it was making a point with 3 separate examples, again that you're reactionary and you argue with people calling you out instead of listening. I've seen it tons if times I remembered 3.
Were rehashing this one now bc you started defending this shit. We can get to all three as you wish but me bringing those up didn't evade anything I was just starting to address you, literally my 1st comment lol
You are evading answering me again, why do you think its OK for you to tell gsy people it's ok for you to say homoohobic stuff and rheyre wrong if they tell you a straight guy that it's nnot ok
@IllMake50moreaccount hey seems like you responded to an obvious shitpost and upvoted all your old comments instead of responding here, maybe you just didn't see it. I know you didn't nit answer it 4 times and make a new acct randomly bc you just don't have one that doesn't cause you cognitive dissonance so here's your opportunity
I look forward to your tweet thread about how my existence is bourgeois decadence
furiously looking up the Kaiser's sexual activities to make a timely reference
You're very patient, comrade.
Sounds like a site tagline to me
This thread is full of them!
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Conventionally it is used as an insult so that is why it is one. The contents of the world are not the important part here
In school there were several insults people used against each other (in Hindi) that we did not exactly know the meaning of. But like knowing they were bad is good enough
You literally would rather bend yourself into a pretzel to justify continuing to say literal slurs once you learned actually it hurts people then just grow up
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This is extremely funny coming from you holy shit lmfao :data-laughing:
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You’re jacking off at work next to women SA bullshit you were on
That there’s other dudes with an equally 0 amount of self awareness that upvote your shit doesn’t really mean much, you got push back from people effect by it for a reason and their opinion means more than your cishet white boy headass shit whether you like it not
The fact you can type a sentience like “cocksucker isn’t homophobic” is comically, pathetically brain dead.
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Lol
holy fuck you’ve probably done some deranged shit to women and justified it similarly
Cocksucker is homophobic. It means you are a man who sucks cocks and that its bad to do so. Pretty cut and dry. It is however very fun to use and I don't think against the rules generally in most contexts
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iVe NeVeR AsSuMeD a GeNdEr
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You in the general sense not specifically you. It means "one who is a man who sucks cocks and that is bad"
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Sorry, that is how language words, what words mean is determined by a process beyond just 'what you think they mean'. Its a gendered insult as it exists in the English language, and consequently a homophobic one (although not a slur to my ear). However if you keep using it as you do, and convince others to, eventually you could be part of changing that meaning. I think its really funny to call women cocksuckers and yeah you could make that more of a thing
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I mean idk but I feel like if it were a slur it would feel more like something you would yell at a gay person specifically but its really more a thing you call any guy. Its homophobic because the premise is that having gay sex makes you lesser but its not like a thing you'd yell at a gay person specifically you see? Its a fine line I suppose but key in this case because I think if someone calls someone else a homophobic slur, that is a homophobic person, but I do not immediately assume that hearing someone call someone cocksucker. Similar to how it doesn't make you a woman-hater to call someone a pussy, but its a bit of a sexist term in itself
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I'm again making a general statement when I say "its a thing you call any guy", not you specifically but 'one'. When I say that I am defining it, and insisting that you take that definition into account when you use it since that is what everyone will understand it as. Your usage will be widely interpreted based on the definition everyone here is also insisting on, the gendered one, because we are correct and you are incorrect, technically speaking. But its not absolute, you could like. Get all of your friends to accept that you don't mean it in a gendered way and you all start calling women cocksuckers as well, and that's how language evolves
The real problematic bit though I think is the negative framing, that's what makes it homophobic in the first place. I think whatever gender is doing it, its great to suck cock, to gobble dicks deepthroat style and slurp down cum etc, so I might be inclined to use cocksucker as a positive term, of respect or endearment. But then, I would have to be careful using it that way, gotta make sure I am understood because it has that preexisting connotation as an insult. But if you aren't terribly concerned about that you could be the trailblazer there also, calling women and men and whoever cocksuckers willy-nilly, but as a compliment, "hey cocksucker great job out there on the field today"
:wut: lol
please explain to me why this would be an insult in anyone's mind if they hadn't at least somewhat internalized homophobia/sexism/rape culture. like think about it. why is the act of sucking cock seen as an insult in the first place? Surely there is some sort of cultural and historical explanation for this and it isn't simply random.
You're wrong on this though. Fuckin' looking at pornography in public is both #1 removed and #2 basically a prelude to something fucked up happening during or after it. Calling someone a prude about it is also massive libshit.
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