I would do everything Joel did 50 times over even if I knew it would "doom" the world because at that moment, having armed goons assaulting me while my 'daughter' is who knows where and some sketchy woman telling me to "trust her" means a helluva lot more than whatever world is out there. But at the same time, actions have consequences, regardless if what you did was good or bad, rational or not. If I was in Abby's position and someone like Joel did that to my family, I would also do what she did 50 times over. I don't know if Joel is "good," and he's certainly not "condemned" by the writers, but he'll always be literally me.
These people want "nuance" and a "marketplace of ideas," but when a piece of media explores the human condition where emotions naturally triumphs any logic and one situation is presented in multiple perspectives, then they immediately screech because their beard daddy is no longer seen as universally good. But I don't understand. These people presumably are the same ones who say "I'll do anything to protect my family," but being seen as "the bad guy" is where they draw the line? Why does it matter? I would never apologize for doing what Joel did even if Ellie and the whole world condemned me because I'll do anything to protect my family.
There is some nuance to the story, but Gamers are too pea-brained to get it. It’s not that Joel is bad, it’s about actions having consequences no matter how justified those actions may seem from one side, those actions could be seen as unredeemable from the other side.
I also hate that they criticize the story for being “revenge bad”, it’s okay if you’re tired of that trope, but boiling it down to that just shows that you are too stubborn to pay attention to the story. After Ellie lost her fingers (the ones she plays the guitar with), it triggered her emotions and memories about Joel, she realized that she wasn’t mad at Abby, she was mad at herself for taking so long to forgive Joel and now she won’t get that chance again.
There are definitely valid criticisms for the game the game though, but I don’t get why people make it their personality to hate the game. I disliked Witcher 3 and Baldur’s gate 3 and guess what? I moved on.
I disliked Witcher 3 and Baldur’s gate 3 and guess what? I moved on.
On god I hate a lot of games and movies and other people hate the ones I like. But I only ever bring it up if someone else does, and usually only when they have an absurd take. Otherwise I’m never thinking about the media I hate because life is too short and I could consuming the media I like instead
I would do everything Joel did 50 times over even if I knew it would "doom" the world because at that moment, having armed goons assaulting me while my 'daughter' is who knows where and some sketchy woman telling me to "trust her" means a helluva lot more than whatever world is out there. But at the same time, actions have consequences, regardless if what you did was good or bad, rational or not. If I was in Abby's position and someone like Joel did that to my family, I would also do what she did 50 times over. I don't know if Joel is "good," and he's certainly not "condemned" by the writers, but he'll always be literally me.
These people want "nuance" and a "marketplace of ideas," but when a piece of media explores the human condition where emotions naturally triumphs any logic and one situation is presented in multiple perspectives, then they immediately screech because their beard daddy is no longer seen as universally good. But I don't understand. These people presumably are the same ones who say "I'll do anything to protect my family," but being seen as "the bad guy" is where they draw the line? Why does it matter? I would never apologize for doing what Joel did even if Ellie and the whole world condemned me because I'll do anything to protect my family.
There is some nuance to the story, but Gamers are too pea-brained to get it. It’s not that Joel is bad, it’s about actions having consequences no matter how justified those actions may seem from one side, those actions could be seen as unredeemable from the other side.
I also hate that they criticize the story for being “revenge bad”, it’s okay if you’re tired of that trope, but boiling it down to that just shows that you are too stubborn to pay attention to the story. After Ellie lost her fingers (the ones she plays the guitar with), it triggered her emotions and memories about Joel, she realized that she wasn’t mad at Abby, she was mad at herself for taking so long to forgive Joel and now she won’t get that chance again.
There are definitely valid criticisms for the game the game though, but I don’t get why people make it their personality to hate the game. I disliked Witcher 3 and Baldur’s gate 3 and guess what? I moved on.
On god I hate a lot of games and movies and other people hate the ones I like. But I only ever bring it up if someone else does, and usually only when they have an absurd take. Otherwise I’m never thinking about the media I hate because life is too short and I could consuming the media I like instead