I've liked it so far. Wish Dave would've elaborated on "white slaves," though. Like he's technically correct about indentured servants being slaves, but in a US context "slavery" usually refers to perpetual heritable racialized chattel slavery, which indentured servitude is definitely not.
I can't remember if it was Lies My Teacher Told Me or A People's History of The US, but one of them talked about white slaves. The Irish made up one group of them, I believe. The problem is white supremacists tend to use that fact to discount the idea of institutional racism and in response to that libs tend to then discount the idea of white slaves. But again, with so much of what we know about US history being myth it's very difficult to sort the facts from the historical propaganda. I've definitely run into multiple accounts of indentured servants being flat out people who were kidnapped from their homes by nobles back in Britain under bullshit charges and sold off as prisoners to be indentured servants. Which I think we can all agree to be completely fucked up, even if it isn't chattel slavery.
Yeah, it's a nuanced-and-important enough subject that I feel like it should be elaborated on whenever it's brought up to an audience.
As you say, the lib dismissal doesn't do much to counter the white Supremacist narrative of slavery as a binary. That's why I think performers should take care to distinguish between US slavery of Black people - a fairly unprecedented development in white supremacism - and other forms of slavery in the US.
Huh, good point. I sent a follow request on Twitter since his profile is private-ish (i am not good with computer), so hopefully it'll let me dm him to mention it once he accepts
Goddammit Dave. There is a very narrow way to talk about that topic without repeating white supremacist talking points and it doesn't typically involve that phrase because it's a common dog whistle.
Giving Dave the benefit of the doubt as he's shown he generally has a sober leftist grasp on politics, but I'll need to listen to these episodes now. Does anyone know if he's had weird takes similar to this before?
It was in response to a tangent off of a Garreth bit iirc. I didn't get the impression either of them had an axe to grind, so much as just handling a loaded topic thoughtlessly.
I've liked it so far. Wish Dave would've elaborated on "white slaves," though. Like he's technically correct about indentured servants being slaves, but in a US context "slavery" usually refers to perpetual heritable racialized chattel slavery, which indentured servitude is definitely not.
I can't remember if it was Lies My Teacher Told Me or A People's History of The US, but one of them talked about white slaves. The Irish made up one group of them, I believe. The problem is white supremacists tend to use that fact to discount the idea of institutional racism and in response to that libs tend to then discount the idea of white slaves. But again, with so much of what we know about US history being myth it's very difficult to sort the facts from the historical propaganda. I've definitely run into multiple accounts of indentured servants being flat out people who were kidnapped from their homes by nobles back in Britain under bullshit charges and sold off as prisoners to be indentured servants. Which I think we can all agree to be completely fucked up, even if it isn't chattel slavery.
Yeah, it's a nuanced-and-important enough subject that I feel like it should be elaborated on whenever it's brought up to an audience.
As you say, the lib dismissal doesn't do much to counter the white Supremacist narrative of slavery as a binary. That's why I think performers should take care to distinguish between US slavery of Black people - a fairly unprecedented development in white supremacism - and other forms of slavery in the US.
Yeah, totally. Good luck telling him that though.🤣
Huh, good point. I sent a follow request on Twitter since his profile is private-ish (i am not good with computer), so hopefully it'll let me dm him to mention it once he accepts
Yeah. I've had a couple of interactions with him on insta that didn't go well. Good luck tho!👍🤞
The QAA spin-off The Trickle Down had few episodes on white slavery
Interesting, thanks. So far I can only find one unlocked link. Is there a black wolf feed that you're aware of?
Not that I'm aware of
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Goddammit Dave. There is a very narrow way to talk about that topic without repeating white supremacist talking points and it doesn't typically involve that phrase because it's a common dog whistle.
Giving Dave the benefit of the doubt as he's shown he generally has a sober leftist grasp on politics, but I'll need to listen to these episodes now. Does anyone know if he's had weird takes similar to this before?
It was in response to a tangent off of a Garreth bit iirc. I didn't get the impression either of them had an axe to grind, so much as just handling a loaded topic thoughtlessly.