while actual sex workers reiterate why we’re not human trafficking victims and that claiming “sex work is SA” is extremely offensive and misogynistic
A lot of the issues in these struggle sessions is that the solutions and experiences discussed often regard very different parts of the global sex worker experience ,both legit in their own context. So when the Marxist Leninist analysis ,handling ,history and theory regarding sex work is informed and rooted in the conditions of nations that had successfull or large ML movements (basicaly most non western european and non USA developing nations) while the sex worker experiences and viewpoints that dominate the discussion online are mostly from US and western european based sex workers who often are involved with Only Fans or amateur pornography (totally legit of course but vastly different to what sex work is and was in the developing world) there is a large disconect in the conclusions of what is or isnt coercive and sexual assault, what are the conditions, hazards and alternatives and what choice and concent is .
A sex worker on twitter posting "We sex workers are just doing what we like and arent sex trafficing victims and ours is a legit occupation that should be treated like any other and there should be X and Y things under communists and communists should believe Z and A" is most likely correct for a very large section of sex workers in similar conditions as them but its a very shaky claim when extrapolated to different conditions and backgrounds that exist for tens of millions of other worldwide. So a pushback from communist against that ,coming from the fact that communism historicaly had and has to resolve the conditions of the latter group is SWERF-y in the context that the poster is tweeting from but not in a lot of others worldwide. A reply like "porn is filmed rape" is insulting and contrary to the experiences of the person tweeting and a ton of westerner sex workers and it shouldnt be stated as if it applies to them but also porn IS filmed rape more often than not world wide cause porn IS filmed rape in the conditions and industries of most developing nations and historicaly and a statement like that in a vacuum or about specific but large groups and nations isnt any more reactionary or non marxist than saying that it isnt rape
So at any time statements and counterstatements happen we should be clear in what context we are working from and be aware how universal or not it is. Are these actual sex workers and their experiences representative of how the "sex industry" works and opperates in developing or formerly colonized nations. A lot of sex workers in Western Europe or the US may be absolutely correct on the nuance of it being the job of their chosing that they enjoy and should that should be supported and protected and rejecting of the "human trafficing label". Does this adequetly reflect what "sex work" is in thailand, phillipines , Africa or Latin America? Its conditions and how it connects with sex turism and with the legacy and traumas of the still recent feudalism and colonialism ? The margin of choice and scale of trafficing and sex slavery that constitutes the "industry" there? Does it reflect the experience and needs of millions of women in eastern europe in the 90s when just 5-10 years prior whould have been in the path of free education, housing ,healthcare and job of their choice were suddenly forced into sexual abuse in comicaly evil mafia controlled industries, grooming and scarring just to put bread on the table and not be homeless. Thats the reallity here and in most of the world and the vast vast majority of sex workers are helpless victims that didnt chose or consent to a life of abuse, sexual assault and destroyed dreams and didnt concent to the future and choice taken away from them.
You are doing swerf apologia willingly or unwillingly, when people say sex work is work they say it meaning sex work done ethically without more undue coercion other than needing to earn a wage undercapitalism while having other feasible choices for work as well (bc every job is done to some degree due to coercion from capitalism) they are not saying that as an endorsement of abusive practices and trafficking in other places, and implying that they might be is also inherently reactionary.
People have the right to use their bodies as they wish, but sex workers usually get singled out bc of deep seeded bigotry, no one tells seemstresses to stop sewing or construction workers to stop working because countless bodily injury and exploitation (practical slavery as well as human trafficking) happens in those fields in the rest of the world.(And an easy way to stop illegal trafficking and practices would be to, crazy idea here decriminalize and regulate it). You and others choose to single sex work out bc you have reactionary beliefs masqueraded as scientifically applying Marxism Leninism .
I would hate for you be involved in active organizing and still have these beliefs, I can’t imagine having a just asking questions attitude about the humanity or dignity of your comrades.
I’m not advocating for telling China etc. they need to change other than offering more support and protection for their people, but this is a western space, like it or not, and it’s unhelpful and usually harmful to make it more complicated than all explotation and abuse especially sexual should end, and, fully supporting your comrades and others who do this kind of work and not constantly making them justify or debate their existence to you.
A lot of the issues in these struggle sessions is that the solutions and experiences discussed often regard very different parts of the global sex worker experience ,both legit in their own context. So when the Marxist Leninist analysis ,handling ,history and theory regarding sex work is informed and rooted in the conditions of nations that had successfull or large ML movements (basicaly most non western european and non USA developing nations) while the sex worker experiences and viewpoints that dominate the discussion online are mostly from US and western european based sex workers who often are involved with Only Fans or amateur pornography (totally legit of course but vastly different to what sex work is and was in the developing world) there is a large disconect in the conclusions of what is or isnt coercive and sexual assault, what are the conditions, hazards and alternatives and what choice and concent is .
A sex worker on twitter posting "We sex workers are just doing what we like and arent sex trafficing victims and ours is a legit occupation that should be treated like any other and there should be X and Y things under communists and communists should believe Z and A" is most likely correct for a very large section of sex workers in similar conditions as them but its a very shaky claim when extrapolated to different conditions and backgrounds that exist for tens of millions of other worldwide. So a pushback from communist against that ,coming from the fact that communism historicaly had and has to resolve the conditions of the latter group is SWERF-y in the context that the poster is tweeting from but not in a lot of others worldwide. A reply like "porn is filmed rape" is insulting and contrary to the experiences of the person tweeting and a ton of westerner sex workers and it shouldnt be stated as if it applies to them but also porn IS filmed rape more often than not world wide cause porn IS filmed rape in the conditions and industries of most developing nations and historicaly and a statement like that in a vacuum or about specific but large groups and nations isnt any more reactionary or non marxist than saying that it isnt rape
So at any time statements and counterstatements happen we should be clear in what context we are working from and be aware how universal or not it is. Are these actual sex workers and their experiences representative of how the "sex industry" works and opperates in developing or formerly colonized nations. A lot of sex workers in Western Europe or the US may be absolutely correct on the nuance of it being the job of their chosing that they enjoy and should that should be supported and protected and rejecting of the "human trafficing label". Does this adequetly reflect what "sex work" is in thailand, phillipines , Africa or Latin America? Its conditions and how it connects with sex turism and with the legacy and traumas of the still recent feudalism and colonialism ? The margin of choice and scale of trafficing and sex slavery that constitutes the "industry" there? Does it reflect the experience and needs of millions of women in eastern europe in the 90s when just 5-10 years prior whould have been in the path of free education, housing ,healthcare and job of their choice were suddenly forced into sexual abuse in comicaly evil mafia controlled industries, grooming and scarring just to put bread on the table and not be homeless. Thats the reallity here and in most of the world and the vast vast majority of sex workers are helpless victims that didnt chose or consent to a life of abuse, sexual assault and destroyed dreams and didnt concent to the future and choice taken away from them.
You are doing swerf apologia willingly or unwillingly, when people say sex work is work they say it meaning sex work done ethically without more undue coercion other than needing to earn a wage undercapitalism while having other feasible choices for work as well (bc every job is done to some degree due to coercion from capitalism) they are not saying that as an endorsement of abusive practices and trafficking in other places, and implying that they might be is also inherently reactionary.
People have the right to use their bodies as they wish, but sex workers usually get singled out bc of deep seeded bigotry, no one tells seemstresses to stop sewing or construction workers to stop working because countless bodily injury and exploitation (practical slavery as well as human trafficking) happens in those fields in the rest of the world.(And an easy way to stop illegal trafficking and practices would be to, crazy idea here decriminalize and regulate it). You and others choose to single sex work out bc you have reactionary beliefs masqueraded as scientifically applying Marxism Leninism .
I would hate for you be involved in active organizing and still have these beliefs, I can’t imagine having a just asking questions attitude about the humanity or dignity of your comrades.
I’m not advocating for telling China etc. they need to change other than offering more support and protection for their people, but this is a western space, like it or not, and it’s unhelpful and usually harmful to make it more complicated than all explotation and abuse especially sexual should end, and, fully supporting your comrades and others who do this kind of work and not constantly making them justify or debate their existence to you.