I always thought the first Raimi Spiderman had a critique of capital in it. Norman, a kind and fatherly man, is driven to madness by capital. It shows how the capitalist is also captured and forced to do madder and madder things. And can only be defeated by the libidinal. The pure fury of horny teens.
Peter wants to buy a car to impress MJ (because advertisements told him to), and enters a contest where people get violently injured for the slim possibility of winning half a month's rent. Peter wins the contest and gets screwed by the ring boss because the ring boss knows he can get away with it. Peter refuses to stop an armed robbery because of it, and it gets his uncle killed. Peter then spends the next decade struggling to pay rent or keep a job because being a good person isn't profitable in America.
If your kids are gonna get sucked into superhero schlock, Spiderman might be the least damaging character for them to latch to.
Norman Osbourne is explicitly a piece of shit and a big part of Harry's future motivation is the unfulfilled desire to please his overbearing dad. You could argue that it was the serum that made him bad but i think there's a pretty clear divisor between the "original" Norman and the Goblin and that the Thanksgiving outburst belonged to the former.
I thought by thanksgiving dinner, the real Norman was also already turning into the goblin. He was using his evil voice. By the end of the film, he could turn sympathetic Norman on and off to suit him. Norman was overbearing checking Harry's house twice a week, it's true. But he was shown as mostly kind and thoughtful. The text of this film is rich and there's a lot going on, but the greedy green goblin businessman is definitely a moral.
I always thought the first Raimi Spiderman had a critique of capital in it. Norman, a kind and fatherly man, is driven to madness by capital. It shows how the capitalist is also captured and forced to do madder and madder things. And can only be defeated by the libidinal. The pure fury of horny teens.
Peter wants to buy a car to impress MJ (because advertisements told him to), and enters a contest where people get violently injured for the slim possibility of winning half a month's rent. Peter wins the contest and gets screwed by the ring boss because the ring boss knows he can get away with it. Peter refuses to stop an armed robbery because of it, and it gets his uncle killed. Peter then spends the next decade struggling to pay rent or keep a job because being a good person isn't profitable in America.
If your kids are gonna get sucked into superhero schlock, Spiderman might be the least damaging character for them to latch to.
Unleashing teenagers against ageing ruling class warriors - spider man cultural revolution allegory
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I like this retcon by Spiderman 3 because it means Peter just hunts down and kills the thief for driving Uncle Ben's car.
i missed the part where that's my problem
Norman Osbourne is explicitly a piece of shit and a big part of Harry's future motivation is the unfulfilled desire to please his overbearing dad. You could argue that it was the serum that made him bad but i think there's a pretty clear divisor between the "original" Norman and the Goblin and that the Thanksgiving outburst belonged to the former.
I thought by thanksgiving dinner, the real Norman was also already turning into the goblin. He was using his evil voice. By the end of the film, he could turn sympathetic Norman on and off to suit him. Norman was overbearing checking Harry's house twice a week, it's true. But he was shown as mostly kind and thoughtful. The text of this film is rich and there's a lot going on, but the greedy green goblin businessman is definitely a moral.
hmm, i thought the Thanksgiving scene was earlier in the film until now. now i can see it being argued both ways.