Here is July 25th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.
Here is July 26th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.
Here is July 27th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.
I have an exhausting day ahead of me today, but I'll post interesting links in the megathread when I find them and when I have the time and wifi signal.
Here is July 29th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.
Here is July 30th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.
No updates no Sundays.
Links and Stuff
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to the above list if you can, thank you.
Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)
Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Telegram Channels
Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.
Pro-Russian
https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.
https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.
https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.
https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.
Pro-Ukraine
With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.
Last week's discussion post.
Why do you think I don't critically examine the Ukrainian side? I don't care about the Ukranian government, I care about my Ukrainian dishwaser at my job who worked for a corrupt mining company barely making enough money so his daughter could go study in Kyiv only for the war to destroy their dreams. Nationalism is a disease but every Ukrainian that I've spoken to isn't driven by some crackpot nazism ideology that the Ukrainian population will rule the world but that they want to give themselves the chance of a better life away from a govenrment steered by Russian puppets. I'm glad most of Azov is buried under Mariupol, I'm angered the Ukraine MOD denies responsibility for war crimes acted out in the east. But seeing how the Ukrainian people fight tooth and nail against a garbage imperialistic army like Russia to save itself from opression I can't deny I'm still glad Zelensky chose for his ego and didn't surrender.
Western Ukraine might not all be crackpot Nazis but there is significant support of their ideals at a degree less than genocide. For every person that tells a racist joke there are 10 racists who laugh. For every racist that will commit a hate crime there are a 100 racists who are happy when they hear of it. For every Nazi that will murder a child? Ukraine is a nation with a dozen Neo-Nazi paramilitary groups with a combined membership in the 10s of thousands, a nation where there are no repercussions for the murder of peaceful protesters and children. They may not think they support full on nazism but they would rather accept a nazi leader than one who wants to do business with Russia. What do you call 3 nazis and a liberal sitting at the same table? 4 nazis sitting at a table.
Not caring about the government of Ukraine makes you part of the problem. The Ukraine government are the ones who let the Corrupt Miners abuse people. They are the ones giving guns to nazis who then go on to murder children in Donbas.
The Ukrainian people are not fighting tooth and nail against imperialism. Russia isn't trying to take all of Ukraine. They are trying to free the LPR and DPR from being murdered by nazis. They are using force because every peaceful agreement to end the war was ignored by the Ukraine government after they signed it. The Nazis are the only ones willingly standing up to Russia. The rest are being forced to fight with a Nazi's gun in their back and lies about the "orcish hoard" raping babies in their ears.
Western Ukrainians did nothing to stop the war or to stop the rise of Nazism around them. They voted for a clown who told lies that he would end the war when it was easy to see the same man bankrolling zelenskyy was the same man bankrolling Azov.
Zelenskyy didn't choose his ego. He chose to get paid (and not get killed by his "friends") You saying you are glad Zelenskyy didn't surrender is you being glad for every innocent person's death, for every destroyed home. You are not a idiot. you are a monster.
How many members do you seriously believe Azov has? Or any neo-nazi para military group in Ukraine? I've spoken to people who are in contact with anarchist groups in the country who say there weren't that many of them before the war except in Mariupol and that now most of them are dead anyways. I don't care about the Ukrainian government because of the reasons you mentioned and it's why I want the country to keep it's independence. Remember Ukraine became corrupt under the Russian sphere of influence (not a suprise since Russia is corrupt to the bone itself) the years leading up to the invasion most Nazis were also already been kicked out of government positions making it even more stupid to claim it's a country run by Nazis. You either are completely fried by Russian propaganda that you seriously believe the Russians are only facing opposition by nazis or people being forced to fight by nazis when Russia has now given groups like Wagner leading command roles in their offensive. Why are regions like Kherson, Svierodonetsk or Melitopol not celebrating being captured by Russians if they truly believe they're being liberated from Nazism? Read just any eye witness account from Ukrainians that live in either Russian occupied or formerly Russian occupied regions and see how they suffered. And before you start rambling about how those people are nazis too why the fuck did Russia decide to only kill civilians that are nazis while murdering the rest of them.
Way to hit those nazi supporter talking points. You even got them in the right order. Where'd you get your training, Reddit or Elgin? I swear I (with no experience in the field) could make a chat bot in an afternoon that would spit out 10 versions of this same rant.
Azov claimed to have 10k in 2018. FBI estimates Azov trained 17000 neo-nazis from over 50 countries between 2016 and 2021. The Christchurch massacre chud was one of them.
Ukraine has been corrupt since 1991 when it gained independence. It was created by a Russian puppet of america who chopped up and sold the USSR to Oligarchs. Sometimes the corrupt Ukrainians work with Russia sometimes with the west. The nazis were only given free reign by western friendly Ukrainian kleptocrats. All of Russia's corruption comes from Russia becoming a neo-liberal kleptocracy in an attempt to appease the USA. Corruption is a side effect of working with the USA.
That's just not true. I cant find a single instance of a Ukrainian MP with Nazi ties being removed from government since 2014. There are still many nazis in office including the minister of defence who tweeted "they arent even slavs we will kill all the orcs" in February. Ukraine has however banned tons of leftist parties including a couple with significant elected representation.
Wagner PMC is a mercenary group and doesn't have a united ideology other than getting paid. The photo with nazi tattoos that some think is Wagner's leader is unverified. The only verified photo of Wagner's leader in the last 20 years is really poor quality.
If you want videos of Ukrainians welcoming Russian troops Patrick Lancaster has a dozen. I'll assume you are asking about Bucha in the last rambling sentences and return with a question of my own. If Russia really did kill all those civilians why did the UK block Russia's attempt to have the UN investigate the massacre right after it happened? Why would Russia Push for an investigation of its own war crimes? There is video of Ukrainians forces retaking Bucha and one soldier says "This one has a white arm band can I shoot him?" the soldier on camera says "yeah" and then there are gun shots.
Russia has killed civilians but it is quite obvious from the civilian casualty reports that they are going above and beyond any other military in history to avoid civilian casualties. The UN reported almost 3 times the civilian casualties per capita in the first 2 months in the Iraq war than in the entirety of the Special military operation in Ukraine to date. That is happening in a Nation where UN inspectors are welcomed by locals not shot at them and with all the advances in technology in the last 20 years (drones satellites and cell phones make finding casualties way easier).