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Ukrainian/USA backed terrorists I guarantee.
RT reports at least 40 killed and a hundred injured. Numbers probably going to go up.
And the thing is, this is even more pointless than your average terrorist attack, this is pure blood-lust and desire to butcher Russian civilians KNOWING it won't change anything because Russia has suffered deadlier attacks including on children in the past 25 years and they didn't deter it in Chechnya or any other regions. So even the usual justification for butchering civilians that it will shock the government or people into change is a known factor, a false one with this specific country.
This is just the start. The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.
I also guarantee that the US and west will try their hardest to spin this as a bunch of disgruntled Russians upset about Putin's authoritarian rule and that their weapons, training, idea just poofed out of thin air. Else it could be IS type extremists who are of course a western puppet and would only be in Russia at CIA insistence. They can't allow wholesome bean Ukraine to be associated with this type of behavior despite it being exactly the SBU's modus operandi. Doesn't matter whether the attackers were native Russians or what, guarantee if they aren't IS that they were trained, radicalized, motivated, probably armed by SBU which is a proxy subsidiary of the CIA.
Liberals already in agreement this is a false flag by Russia to checks notes justify invading ukraine.
Once again, indistinguishable from Alex Jones as far as political analysis but still somehow unbelievably smug.
When your understanding of geopolitics is "Putin is a saturday morning cartoon villain and Ukraine are the heroes" you kind of have to make the most logical leaps to justify something like this. They aren't capable of nuance.
It's impossible to get it through their thick heads that Putin doesn't need a false flag to get support. There is no reason for him to do this.
Already seeing libs call this a false flag attack. So that stage has been set already if proof comes out that Ukraine was responsible
The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.
Honestly, I can't help but look forward to when the tables turn, and the world inevitably gets in at least some punishment on the west in turn. It can't and won't be an eye for an eye - because frankly, alongside how wrong that would be, there is simply not enough of the west to do so- there would be nothing left of the west in such a scenario, and even then their debts would not be resolved- but it will be in, if nothing else, distrust and distancing as other options develop, and in all the social backlash that centuries of westerners plaguing the rest of humanity with genocides, slavery, and imperialism will have earned.
I say this all as someone living in the west myself- and frankly, if and when I get the hell out, I certainly would only ever, having experienced living in the west myself, caution and promote a distrust, disinvestment, and defensive if not outright hostile stance towards the west. As I see it, it's the sad truth that I would like nothing more than to be false, and the only good advice one could ever give, knowing how the western imperial cores are like- what racist, supremacist, liberal, etc. poisons lurk within our societies, and what the nature of our institutions are, etc.
500 years of atrocities, culminating in decades of global hegemony and unmatched arrogance have wrought their toll on the west, and anyone claiming otherwise, or that it can be easily washed away, is naive. And this is alongside the nature of capitalism, and imperialism in particular, which dominates the west; the only sensible approach to these societies as I see it is one which forever watches its back, which constantly expects the worst (because either way, the worst will come to pass), which knows that no matter the present circumstances, one is dealing with- particularly in the western institutions and elite, rabid dogs which in will inevitably, in due time, attack and devour everything in their sight without restraint. These are societies whose contradictions drive them to, even when they are at the top of the world, cannibalize and destroy their own peoples in turn; these are societies that have been unable to change their core, imperialist, racist, monstrous character even over the course of centuries (with Russia as the exception proving the rule, and showing just how extensive the efforts must be even in a country which had never stooped to quite the same lows as its west European/Anglo peers, and even then how precarious the results also will be, in cleansing the colonial, or colonizer's, mindset from their society).
My thoughts as well but I was hesitant to put anything down without evidence. Who else would it be? Who benefits?
Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack late on Friday, in a post on Telegram in which the group claimed its gunmen had managed to escape afterwards.
Looking forward to westerners justifying this at the same time they condemn Hamas violent resistance.
I am patiently waiting for that fat british liberal to defend Russia's right to defend itself and condemn the terrorists behind this attack (he won't even cover it).
Notably, US embassy made a statement that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and US citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours a couple of weeks ago.
https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/
Yeah well, “extremists” of what variety? Western media calls RDK “patriots who love their country and hate Putin”.
Then why kill the people they love so much? This is obviously russophobic driven terrorism, the cowards are shooting indiscriminately at innocent people, you need to see them as animals to be able to do it that easily. Definitely organized by NATO/US.
Then why kill the people they love so much?
i mean in the US every nazi terrorist attack has been shooting random people indiscriminately so
I was pointing out the usage of language and its intersubjectivity to create narratives, I wasn’t insinuating it was RDK or Russian Neo-Nazis specifically.
In this context the usage of extremist is null if I’ve seen Western news articles call actual extremists patriots and omit their extremist ideology.
I doubt any plan got delayed by 2 weeks if it was meant to happen immediately. There are a lot of angles here.
I think that it's almost certain that US is behind this given that Vicky the witch was just promising nasty surprises. These are the surprises.
Did the US broadcast a public warning ahead of time as a flex?
To what end, strategically? Possibly none whatsoever. I’ve always had a hard time believing empire can be so petty, but the evidence keeps accumulating.
I think they still have the delusion that they can use terrorism to turn the public against the government in Russia somehow. They're basically realizing that they lost the conventional war, so now it's gonna be straight up terrorism.
Maybe these wet farts were the “surprises”:
Putin’s victory is a geopolitical reality
With a popularity rating consistently crossing 80% in the most recent years, especially as a Russian victory in the Ukraine war began to look a plausible reality, the outcome of last weekend’s election was a foregone conclusion. Indeed, the estimation of Putin’s massive popularity is attributed to a US government-funded polling organisation known as the Levada Center.
Hence the covert operations and terrorist acts to create disturbed conditions within Russia and discredit or undermine the election process. Hundreds of drones were fired from Ukraine at targets inside Russia in recent weeks, some aimed at Moscow and others at St. Petersburg, mainly at power plants and some airfields including Domodedovo located south of Moscow and the second busiest airport in Russia.
The high noon came when a 1500-strong strike force that included Russian speakers in a special unit, a large number of foreign fighters, supported by tanks and armoured personnel carriers (including Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles), and elite Ukrainian units tried in vain a fortnight ago to invade Russian territory in an operation lasting four days. Ukraine’s head of military intelligence, Kyrylo Budanov since reportedly told President Vlodomyr Zelensky that the planning of the operation was compromised by a traitor — or so he believed.
The Ukrainian leaders and their backers in NATO calculated that an invasion would work and somehow the Russian elections would be discredited! But it turned out to be a fantasy. It appears that Russia’s battle-hardened security agencies were throughout one step ahead of Ukrainian intelligence and its western mentors.
Vicky specifically mentioned asymmetric warfare in her comment, trying to do incursions into Russia isn't new either. Ukraine has been trying to do raids off and on for a while.
Why? US has delayed plans by months before. Who knows what operational reasons they might have had.
Also something of this scale the US probably didn't want to directly tip its hand. So it warned people weeks in advance, specified a false timeline knowing most Americans likely to heed it anyways would probably avoid such gatherings for even longer than that.
Also could have been Ukrainian SBU, the certain parts of the US learned of it or were informed, issued that alert and maybe knowing their chances were worse with that alert out they rescheduled and tried to keep it from the Americans next time.
Edit: Now it's being claimed it's IS(IS) who is claiming responsibility. IS is an arm's length plausibly deniable CIA proxy. They knew what they were going to do, but they may not have known when or had control of when as is the case with proxies (they may have even known when but tipping their hand caused a change in plans and had it pushed back). Needless to say even if one doesn't accept IS as a CIA proxy, the US is ultimately responsible for the creation of the group and its power via their campaign against Assad. Thus the US is responsible once again for the deaths of many Russian civilians.
I would not be surprised if they try again with more, the US would love to turn Russia's attention to Syria, to split it's military operations between that and Ukraine to give Ukraine more time.
It is not ISIS, Ukraine is attempting to shift attention https://t.me/rybar/58423
This is what Victionary Nuland must have meant by "nasty surpises".
Terrorist attacks.
She was talking about terrorist attacks.https://www.csis.org/analysis/under-secretary-state-victoria-nuland-two-year-anniversary-russias-full-scale-invasion
With this money [which is still pending in Congress] Ukraine will be able to fight back in the east, but it will also be able to accelerate the asymmetric warfare that has been most effective on the battlefield. And as I said in Kyiv three weeks ago, this supplemental funding will ensure Putin faces some nasty surprises on the battlefield this year.
I would prefer not to jump to a conclusion, but the response from the Ukrainians is going to say it all. If they condemn the attack, then alright it was probably someone else...but if they insist it's a false flag and that Russia just massacred their own people then they probably had a hand in it. Stand by for NAFO "memes" on the subject.
but if they insist it's a false flag and that Russia just massacred their own people
Bingo https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/105320
Extremely non suspicious behavior to immediately come out and say “it wasn’t us!”
Is NAFO still a thing? For one reason or another I don't really see them anymore, was kind of hoping they'd largely moved on to their next Cause.
I think they're losing steam but they're indeed around. There's a lot more infighting now, because they can't decide if they're pro-Israel or not as a group. Also they can't decide if terrorist attacks are good or bad depending on who it happens too.
In my sporadic spree of Twitter trolling, ban evasions and sending death threats to Isisraeli supporters, yes NAFO indeed is even more active. Like if you accidentally kicked a cardboard box and tons of roaches scurry out from underneath it.
Maybe my very pointed efforts to never ever engage with them finally had the intended effect of teaching The Algorithm to just shovel that shit where it belongs. Can't say it will be missed.
I've gotten banned on Twitter so many times that there's little chance for The Algorithm to develop. But you scroll through posts and a third of them are NAFOs. No need to engage with them either, they are so widespread.
Also for some reason, Twitter moderation doesn't find the idea of me trapping large numbers of IDF troops at the bottom of the Mponeng Gold Mine as hilarious as I would.
Also for some reason, Twitter moderation doesn’t find the idea of me trapping large numbers of IDF troops at the bottom of the Mponeng Gold Mine as hilarious as I would.
Inshallah, Palestine will have its own Cuckpit soon.
Definitely USA backed terrorists, they "warned" muricans about staying in public places in Moscow in the beginning of the month
Horrible. My heart goes out to everyone who has been killed or injured and their families.
If Ukraine had anything to do with this, Russia will exact it's revenge, and it will not be pretty for anyone
Medvedev already made a statement that if it was Ukraine then Russia will start eliminating their senior leadership.
I feel like if they had the capability of doing so they would've already done so...
enemy senior leadership are sometimes needed to be alive, when you have a trusted enemy leader, it'll be easier to have him surrender and most of his population and soldiers will stop the attacks, but when you assassinate the leader it'll create smaller factions and less trust in the newer ones and it will be a nightmare to make a peace agreement because the leader that was put in place after the assassination doesn't control shit.
I don't think so because eliminating them wouldn't actually solve anything since the actual decision making centres are in the west. The puppet regime in Ukraine is also deeply incompetent and generally hated by the public. So, it made sense to just let the clown show go on until now.
russia's shown they monitor where zelensky is with drones and purposefully strike right after he leaves, like that's what happened when all those drone operators got killed in that huge missile strike 2ish? weeks ago
nah you gotta keep someone "legitimate" on the other side to negotiate with
If it's Ukraine and it probably is, I hope Russia doesn't hold back in the upcoming days, NOT ONE A BIT...
Agreed. It's well past time the west was reminded what MAD really means- that their leaders are putting their lives on the line, and that of all of humanity as well.
I also hope it helps destroy America's favorite little ethnofascist state in the ME. But no hope there, Putin is actually very timid compared to his image in the west.
actually very timid
While I despise the Nazis in Ukraine, and I don't want to flatter Putin, I'm personally hoping his unwillingness to fight wars like the US does at the very least comes from some place of being rational and not criminally insane. Wars shouldn't play out like the Iraq war.
What lesson would that send to the west then other than to up the terror campaign and violence? Why does the west always get to up the ante and escalate? Why should other people always be the sane ones whereas the west always gets to do whatever it likes with the threat of greater violence looming over people's heads? I don't want Ukrainians to suffer, but at least just give Syria/ Lebanon some s300s, or send an aid convoy to Gaza to call Israel's bluff. There should be consequences to mass murdering people.
I hope Putin comes down hard on Ukraine's government, and those associated with it, but our government targeted infrastructure in Iraq; lots of people died because of lack of electricity and water and sewage processing plants. There should absolutely be consequences for mass murdering people, but I will agree with you that the better thing for Russia to do would be to better arm Syria and Lebanon.
I'm not saying Putin shouldn't retaliate, I just hope his choice doesn't target places that would be disastrous to civilians. Ironically I'd argue that if Putin fought this war like the US does, then most likely the Ukrainian people would demand that their government actually cooperate with Russia to bring the war to an end, but I just can't agree with harmful acts towards civilians to bring it about.
Also honestly Western countries don't care about the lives of civilians in Ukraine, and they definitely don't care about the lives of people in the middle east. I think perhaps the better option, and frankly with the best outcome, is to try and convince as many countries in the global South to cut ties with Western countries and reduce majorly their sale of oil to them, and especially preferably during winter to see if maybe that sends a message.
Yeah, I am not disagreeing with you to be honest. We are on the same side and I am replying out of emotion after witnessing a genocide for the past 6 months. Merely going after those responsible won't be enough of a warning and the west will just find new stooges. Some balance of power has to change. They have to take a big L somewhere and I hope for one, it is in Gaza. It is precisely because they don't care about Ukrainians that something consequential has to happen and my bias is that it happens to Israel.
If Medvedev was the president currently, Ukraine wouldn't exist as a country at this point.
Isis is an American/ Israeli asset and no this isn't just theory:
You mean the Russian news or western news? Wouldn't Russian news just say it is Ukraine? (And wouldn't it almost certainly be related to the Ukraine war?)
Various propagandists have already blamed Ukraine, before the cops even cleared the building and did a body count nevermind apprehending any suspects. Sickening stuff tbh
https://t.me/rabkor/15781
Is the West prepared for what's to come when Putin finally hardens his heart?
I think this is exactly the plan. Biden needs Europe to be at war to trigger a mass exodus of (mostly) white Europeans fleeing war and poverty to America to make the dream of the Fourth Reich possible. The purging of Chinese students, academics and immigrants cannot possibly be done without them being replaced by another group of immigrants at the same time.
I mean no offense to the people who think that Trump is someone who can turn America into a full-blown white supremacist state, but they’re dead wrong. Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.
Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.
This. If Republicans tried to do it the opposition from the population would be too much. It takes a Democrat administration to get the masses to consent to fascism. Democrats are experts at demobilizing popular resistance movements.
From what we've seen so far, Russia doesn't really respond to provocations. I expect they may do some high level assassinations in Ukraine to make a point, but otherwise I predict that they're just going to keep methodically grinding down Ukrainian army until it collapses. I do think that any chance of negotiations with the current regime are gone now though.
This makes me so mad. Seeing the venue completely engulved in flames is also crazy. Don't want to give a definite answer for who it was, but this seems eloborate enough to be a NATO operation.
At what point, does world war become preferable? In Gaza I would argue that point has been reached long ago; now for Russia, here is yet another provocation. Meanwhile US troops are violating Chinese sovereignty, across rogue Taipei and even Kinmen island.
Eventually, I'm almost certain it will come- frankly, it may likely be preferable even when and as it comes, if not now already, for all the human cost (that I can and do recognize). The neocons and the western establishment writ large are every bit as deranged as the historical Nazis, if not more so- and their bloodthirst has shown itself over the decades (if one isn't simply counting centuries) to be every bit its equal as well. It must end.
World war is never preferable. The human losses in these conflicts are minuscule compared to an all out world war with the current weaponry, a world war in this era will be the most bloody event hitherto.
I disagree; world war is preferable to turning the other cheek (overly much, anyways), and this will increasingly become the case when and as things become more dire, and the west more deranged.
World war was preferable to accepting Japanese or Nazi suzerainty for the Soviets and China; it is certainly preferable for over 1 million Gazans starving to death as we speak- and now, with the west escalating yet again, no doubt it is becoming closer and closer to a reality in Russia, and in due time when and as they turn their attention east, China. The nuclear deterrent only works for so long as both sides are willing to use it- and I think, as socialists, but also simply as humans, we must never abandon the option entirely, not so long as it exists for the other side.
I agree with China and Russia's present approach of cautious engagement- time is on their side, on humanity's side. But when and as things ramp up- and it seems increasingly likely that they will, and it will almost certainly be western aggression as always that causes it to- eventually, there will come a point it crosses a line, where an equal or greater strike will be preferable, where outright war- even world war- will be preferable. And IMO it would be an abandonment of everything- every value, hope, and dream of the people, and the very essence of self-preservation and dignity, etc- to not strike with full and equal force should things come to that point.
World War is never the preferable option. Millions of people will die in a very very short time.
Well, I'd rather not die in an artillery bombardment if it's all the same to you.
I have good news, it's far more likely we'll die from radiation poisoning or starve to death once the nuclear winter sets in.
Maybe for Gaza, but most other places are doing alot better than Gaza. The biosphere of this planet is quite delicate and a nuclear war might destroy all parts of the biosphere that support human life. A worse outcome than a genocide of one people.
A worse outcome than a genocide of one people.
You can understand, perhaps, how some people- or likely many, if we're talking those suffering the conditions of Gaza right now- would disagree, and act accordingly, though.
Personally I would also disagree- Gaza, and Palestine at large, survives for now, but should the total eradication of Gazans, akin to what was done across the eastern seaboard of the US, near its endgoal, I fully and utterly hope that war, to whatever extent necessary (world war included) begins to end the genocide, even if it risks the species and biosphere altogether.
I would rather humanity dies on its feet, than on its knees. To me, while I can accept, understand, and support biding one's time (when and if it is beneficial- as it is for now, for China and perhaps for Russia alike), ultimately, in the whole picture, I think there is nothing more abhorrent, more inhumane, than turning the other cheek permanently and unilaterally- as even famous pacifists like Gandhi spoke against (the "emasculation of a whole race," or in this case, the whole of humanity, the global south, and the working classes). And the imperialists in particular are undeniably the enemies of humanity, a very real and well-recognized threat to the biosphere in their own right. If it is not put down, sooner or later capitalism, imperialism in particular, will likely kill us all the same.
Any rash actions by Palestinians is understandable. They are people without power acting out of desperation to have some sense of agency in their lives. Killing people that kill your family indiscriminately for entertainment is perfectly reasonable. I suspect the most effective means to destroy the Imperial core is to utilize its internal contradictions to undermine its stability and build institutions that serve the people better than the garbage current institutions. They have prepared for war, but the treats to the imperial core people proletarians are stopping. They need to feed the imperial core Bourgeoisie. That is where I think the Leftists must focus their attention in the imperial core. China is making deals and cutting off the imperialist superprofits. While the imperial core armies are very expensive they are overpriced for what they are paid for. They can't win the wars to enforce the superprofits. As long as China can keep their Bourgeoisie in check, the collective of humanity has the opportunity to build communism.
As unsatisfying as it would be for the imperial core not to be subject to the same external horrors that they've inflicted on the rest of humanity, the world should not need to stoop to the level of the colonizers. The imperial core will continue to grow weaker as China and successive countries that develop continue to build an alternative model of global coexistence. These Western colonizers will then cannibalize their own and eventually succumb to the movements led by their own exploited populaces. At least, that's the best case scenario for the world.
For America, there will be horrors. So many bastards died to keep black people in chains. Those bastards decendants will fight to the death for white supremacy upheld even if it is against their own self interest. Most likely through random acts of terrorism. However this plays out, even if the United States falls peacefully out of existence, the homegrown terrorists will fight for their right to abuse people differently than them. A cultural revolution against white supremecy is in order to stop the spread of fascism to the next generation.
You are absolutely correct, but I think the war is already happening, just that the other side hasn't fully taken off the gloves in the same sense that they called it a cold war yet millions of people died. Imagine telling Yemenis, Iraqis, or Palestinians, etc that there is no war. They are coming for everyone, they would turn Iran, China, Russia, etc into Gaza if they could. They are probably planning ways to do that constantly.
The antiwar narrative at this point means to protect the earth/ species we have to surrender it to white supremacy/ western domination. Essentially that's the choice the west is giving the world. May be time to call their bluff and tell them you go down also.
Agreed, in many ways the war is already here. And this time, unlike the "cold" war, humanity must win. And soon if not now already, it's time to call their bluff- this time with the whole world on one side, and the western elites on the other.
If there's to be an antiwar narrative, it must be on the west's side- they are and have always been the aggressors; they are the one committing genocide in Gaza, instigating it in eastern Ukraine, trying to plunge the world on multiple fronts into war, backing terrorists, separatists, tribalists, and fascists wherever they exist. There is not an inch to be given on the global south's side. If the west cannot learn to mind their business, perhaps our species is better off seeing how accurate the theories of nuclear winter and other such catastrophe really is.
