eg “not all men” weirdos
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Edit: to further clarify the example above since it set off some brainworms, this can be seen when people respond to discussions about patriarchy and the way it shapes toxic masculinity with defensive “not all men” statements.
When we discuss systems, we are aware that not everyone who has privilege within them internalizes it the same way.
Men are not somehow evil. Masculinity is not somehow evil. Feminism is about liberation of everyone from patriarchy. The issue is that you can wind up needing to “protect” or cater to very fragile expectations of individuals and that can sometimes wind up recentering discussion on purely men and their feelings about patriarchy.
That is an important aspect of the discussion, but it cannot be the only one. Given that one of the patriarchal behaviors that many men are taught is to talk over anyone who is not a man, space must be intentionally created for others.
Anyway, this would be better covered in a dedicated effort post on feminism and positive masculinity.
This is however a meme featuring Josie and the pussy cats with a comments section that proves the meme is accurate lol
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Have you ever had to actually organize with conservatives? Some of them have no issue putting aside culture war shit in order to negotiate better wages, but some of them actively disrupt meetings and alienate other coworkers because they won’t shut the fuck up about the gay agenda. And yeah, those people suck.
That's when you tell them to shut the fuck up and realise they're wrecking.
That's why you have to approach them, speak with them like they're people, and help them develop proper consciousness.
You also do the same with progressives starting shit as well.
Oh thank you for the long-forgotten wisdom of “if you want to organize, you have to talk to people and learn about them”. I’d never thought about that before. I was just going around chastising all my coworkers who are men for existing. No wonder it hasn’t been working out!
That's literally what this thread is about lol.
You literally agree and yet everyone is acting like I'm some kind of racist ready to throw minorities to the kerb.
Because conservatives do suck and you have to make them less conservative to get the job done.
"everyone is telling me i'm being a piece of shit by airing my terrible opinions!
...they all must be wrong about everything because only I can be right about things :blob-no-thoughts: "
No one had done anything but call me names and misconstrue my arguments.
It's not being horrible to say conservatives are people too, and that they can have revolutionary potential. Sometimes even moreso than someone who considers themselves progressive.
Do you think everyone in the Russian Revolution was "progressive" even by the days standards?
That's my main point of annoyance.
If you're willing to compromise with conservatives then yeah that's a reasonable assumption. There is no compromise with genocidal maniacs.
I have spent my entire life with almost exclusively Conservatives and Libertarians whose politics center around Lost Cause mythology and Manifest Destiny. They're fascists who won't admit it to themselves.
What you're saying we need to do, does not work on these people. They un-learn anything you teach them, and they want a fundamentally different kind of world than I do. To get them even to stop opposing pro-human policy, you have to change their misanthropic worldview at a very fundamental level
This post isn't condemning their morality, it's asking them to reflect on why they feel personally attacked by systemic critiques