Yeah, I'm occasionally amazed at seeing Leftcoms and Dengists have it out online and once you strip away the jargon they're in complete agreement about what China is, it's just one thinks "and that's bad, please push Communism button now" and the other thinks "that's good, 200 years to Socialism!" (I'm on the "I hope it works out for them, can't we all be friends?" side)