and on top of it when the Nazi Party rose to prominence they and the remaining Freikorps supported each other
What exactly do you think the eventual relationship between the remnants of the FBI and open American fascism will be? These people are fundamentally on the same side, which is part of the reason trying to play them against each other won't work. Whatever shallow grudge they have against each other is nothing compared to the shared support for reaction and opposition to progress.
It's not meant to be an accurate historical metaphor, it's meant to make a point that you're not going to succeed by "taking advantage of" the "opposition" reactionaries have to other reactionaries. The fact that pitting the Nazis against the Freikorps wouldn't have worked is the point of the comparison, not that they're 1:1 interchangeable with the FBI and Trump's clique.
You're missing the point. The Freikorps wasn't defeated by fascists, it was "demobilized" by the Weimar military (Reichswehr) because it was a deranged death cult. The Nazis supported the Freikorps.
If a metaphor doesn't make sense, just don't fucking make it.
OK, then ignore the metaphor and read the rest of the comment, which unambiguously explains the point.
The right doesn’t actually want to abolish the FBI, unless it’s to replace it with something even worse. The right’s latest surface-level grudge can’t be used to push leftist policy. This only works if you have a strong movement that can play reactionaries against each other and take power afterwards. I think we all know that’s not the case here.
I acknowledge it was a clumsy metaphor at best, lol.
That's obvious, which is why I didn't comment on it. I just think the worst thing you can do for one's side is make a shitty argument in support of it.
Fair enough, lol. I agree it was a shitty metaphor. I should have known to resist the urge to make a Weimar comparison. It's always fun to do for the rhetorical impact, but they never really fit and I end up (as you said) just stringing words together.
I think it'll be fine if you just study it more. Making such analogies is not untenable; I have gotten a lot of mileage out of explaining things using the Chinese Civil War, for instance.
A slightly closer analogy would be just using the other entity that I mentioned, the Reichswehr, in place of the Freikorps. Still not great, but it's at least an imperialist organization that the Nazis really did destroy in order to replace it with a much more effective and reactionary force (the Wehrmacht), which did also have members from the old force join the new one.
What exactly do you think the eventual relationship between the remnants of the FBI and open American fascism will be? These people are fundamentally on the same side, which is part of the reason trying to play them against each other won't work. Whatever shallow grudge they have against each other is nothing compared to the shared support for reaction and opposition to progress.
It's not meant to be an accurate historical metaphor, it's meant to make a point that you're not going to succeed by "taking advantage of" the "opposition" reactionaries have to other reactionaries. The fact that pitting the Nazis against the Freikorps wouldn't have worked is the point of the comparison, not that they're 1:1 interchangeable with the FBI and Trump's clique.
You're missing the point. The Freikorps wasn't defeated by fascists, it was "demobilized" by the Weimar military (Reichswehr) because it was a deranged death cult. The Nazis supported the Freikorps.
If a metaphor doesn't make sense, just don't fucking make it.
OK, then ignore the metaphor and read the rest of the comment, which unambiguously explains the point.
I acknowledge it was a clumsy metaphor at best, lol.
That's obvious, which is why I didn't comment on it. I just think the worst thing you can do for one's side is make a shitty argument in support of it.
Fair enough, lol. I agree it was a shitty metaphor. I should have known to resist the urge to make a Weimar comparison. It's always fun to do for the rhetorical impact, but they never really fit and I end up (as you said) just stringing words together.
I think it'll be fine if you just study it more. Making such analogies is not untenable; I have gotten a lot of mileage out of explaining things using the Chinese Civil War, for instance.
A slightly closer analogy would be just using the other entity that I mentioned, the Reichswehr, in place of the Freikorps. Still not great, but it's at least an imperialist organization that the Nazis really did destroy in order to replace it with a much more effective and reactionary force (the Wehrmacht), which did also have members from the old force join the new one.
:07: to a metaphor-maker with a better understanding of G*rman history.
I'm learneding! :gold-antifa: