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It’s funny bc earlier we had the patsoc hiding behind sectarianism to defend their reactionary ideology and you’re using it as an excuse to stop criticism of people with generally chauvinist takes. We are anti-sectarian but we are more broadly pro-aes and the non-ml comrades here generally have been cool and in favor of that as well. Hell we had a Reddit style anarchist here a while back and tons of our own anarchists called them libs for their well, lib views tbh.
We’ve litigated this here before and I don’t think allowing all ideologies for some ideal of non-sectarianism is a good thing when they conflict with more important ideals like solidarity with aes and 3rd world comrades or a belief in revolutionary over reformist politics which we generally have. I wouldn’t want to see the site diluted to welcome twitter/Reddit style socialists and socdems in the name of non-sectarianism. Critiquing why those ideologies have historically and continue this day to fold or capitulate to capital is more important
I literally just want to not see the words ultra or anarkiddy on this website, I don’t expect people to change their views, there are clearly other places for that
Anarkiddie I get but ultras have literally always broadly been critiqued by virtually the whole of the left. It’s basically no different than critique liberals especially when what they’re espousing is state dept serving (indirectly or otherwise) chauvinism.
it is a short hand for being sectarian against maoists mzt hoxhaists and anti revisonists left comma anarchists specifically it is used specifically for those tendencies when people say it,
I'm confused. Are we using this to refer specifically to Deng-era ideology and up to before Xi? The way I see it discussed, Xi is held in high regard mainly as a leader and XJT is seen as a relatively small addition to MZT overall, and the only people who would claim to be MZT but specifically not XJT are weird imperial periphery neoliberals who I know exist in China but I have literally never seen in one of these online spaces.
I’m am talking about the current party, do you not know there are multiple factions in it… there are people you want to not take the course of Xi and revert to Mao era policies, it’s not just a consensus, there’s like 10 factions …
I mean in some cases maybe, but maoists don’t exactly have the best track record and could probably do with some critiquing.
Mzt is generally pretty popular here so it’s definitely not that
And honestly calling everyone that doesn’t follow a prescribed ultra doctrine “revisionist” (i.e. actually responding to the material conditions which is a fundamental part of Marxism) and yourself anti-revisionist is kinda sectarian in itself lol
I for one have never called anyone here or anyone else not here a revionist or tankie or whatever other dunk/own, or even wanted to, it’s really not that hard
Again I don’t think tolerating anti-aes and chauvinist views is worth the moral superiority of being “anti-sectarian” this is basically the tolerance paradox for socialists. All the solidarity to socialists of all stripes but I don’t think allowing chauvinist elements into the broad left is good and they should be critiqued and spoken out against
You have to agree with the premise it was chauvinist, and that is for sure up for debate, unless you’re the authority on what is chauvinist, if the other posters above decided on that this would literally just be GZD
You asked if you could dunk on rad libs when referring to a socialist / communist content creator, he is not an ML who upholds AES so therefore he is radlib, that is your point, and it’s the definition of sectarinaism
yes it's okay to dunk on "radlibs" I would prefer a full definition on what radlib is considered to be tho, which you didn’t give me when I asked you multiple times, I'm sorry I was replying to like 5 people at once I got a bit mixed up
it is sectarian when you choose a tendency you don’t agree with it label it radlib and say can’t we dunk on them
It’s funny bc earlier we had the patsoc hiding behind sectarianism to defend their reactionary ideology and you’re using it as an excuse to stop criticism of people with generally chauvinist takes. We are anti-sectarian but we are more broadly pro-aes and the non-ml comrades here generally have been cool and in favor of that as well. Hell we had a Reddit style anarchist here a while back and tons of our own anarchists called them libs for their well, lib views tbh.
We’ve litigated this here before and I don’t think allowing all ideologies for some ideal of non-sectarianism is a good thing when they conflict with more important ideals like solidarity with aes and 3rd world comrades or a belief in revolutionary over reformist politics which we generally have. I wouldn’t want to see the site diluted to welcome twitter/Reddit style socialists and socdems in the name of non-sectarianism. Critiquing why those ideologies have historically and continue this day to fold or capitulate to capital is more important
I literally just want to not see the words ultra or anarkiddy on this website, I don’t expect people to change their views, there are clearly other places for that
Anarkiddie I get but ultras have literally always broadly been critiqued by virtually the whole of the left. It’s basically no different than critique liberals especially when what they’re espousing is state dept serving (indirectly or otherwise) chauvinism.
it is a short hand for being sectarian against maoists mzt hoxhaists and anti revisonists left comma anarchists specifically it is used specifically for those tendencies when people say it,
Not at all. The PRC is (or claims to be, since you might contest it) MZT.
I meant mzt as in the ideology in the Cpc you can call traditional marxists as opposed to innovative marxism or XJP thought
I'm confused. Are we using this to refer specifically to Deng-era ideology and up to before Xi? The way I see it discussed, Xi is held in high regard mainly as a leader and XJT is seen as a relatively small addition to MZT overall, and the only people who would claim to be MZT but specifically not XJT are weird imperial periphery neoliberals who I know exist in China but I have literally never seen in one of these online spaces.
I’m am talking about the current party, do you not know there are multiple factions in it… there are people you want to not take the course of Xi and revert to Mao era policies, it’s not just a consensus, there’s like 10 factions …
I mean in some cases maybe, but maoists don’t exactly have the best track record and could probably do with some critiquing.
Mzt is generally pretty popular here so it’s definitely not that
And honestly calling everyone that doesn’t follow a prescribed ultra doctrine “revisionist” (i.e. actually responding to the material conditions which is a fundamental part of Marxism) and yourself anti-revisionist is kinda sectarian in itself lol
I for one have never called anyone here or anyone else not here a revionist or tankie or whatever other dunk/own, or even wanted to, it’s really not that hard
Again I don’t think tolerating anti-aes and chauvinist views is worth the moral superiority of being “anti-sectarian” this is basically the tolerance paradox for socialists. All the solidarity to socialists of all stripes but I don’t think allowing chauvinist elements into the broad left is good and they should be critiqued and spoken out against
You have to agree with the premise it was chauvinist, and that is for sure up for debate, unless you’re the authority on what is chauvinist, if the other posters above decided on that this would literally just be GZD
didn’t critically support chauvinist
didn’t call China socialist chauvinist
etc etc
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You asked if you could dunk on rad libs when referring to a socialist / communist content creator, he is not an ML who upholds AES so therefore he is radlib, that is your point, and it’s the definition of sectarinaism
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It depends on who the radlib is, if you call other leftists radlibs then it is.
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dunking on radlibs is fine, I would never use the word radlib, but idk what you want
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yes it's okay to dunk on "radlibs" I would prefer a full definition on what radlib is considered to be tho, which you didn’t give me when I asked you multiple times, I'm sorry I was replying to like 5 people at once I got a bit mixed up