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People are to the left and right of each other and that's okay most people would agree left to right mao, xi, deng and that would not cause debate so why would people using a word to make fun of someone who prefers mao politics over xi politics not punching left ...
there really isn't a debate that using the word ultra would be targeting someone to the left of you, leftism does not automatically equate to good or practical or whatever ascribed values, but it is still more to the left
you do not have not support imperialist nations, by not critically supporting x country, you can firmly oppose western invention and imperialism and don't have to give props to a state that is in many other ways abhorrent ...
Lol I mean at this level that’s just cringe polcomp type shit. Politics does t exist on a flat plane. It’s really just an ultra view to say ok actually anything that isn’t particularly my interpretation of Marx is to the right of me. Everyone else was busy building something, incl non marxists to be honest. People exist all over the place wrt to interpretations of socialism, liberalism, whatever
But whatever you consider yourself, and wherever you see yourself on an imaginary plane, if your ideology consistently leads you to side with imperialist nations (sometimes no for some but generally often) and keeps you from seeing a country that lifted countless people out of poverty, has been basically the sole country to make the general gains against poverty in the last half decade and if you take them out it completely falls apart, is the only country that consistently holds capital accountable to the law and not above it, amongst millions of other advancements, or take the responses to conditions placed upon them by the imperialist west in dprk and other countries cases as universally bad and exempts them from being socialist bc you’re too caught up in believing imperialist nonsense, than that ideology should be unwelcome
Again I’m fine with literally all stripes of socialism. I don’t agree with my anarchists comrades on stuff but I think there’s utility in their views. I specifically don’t think chauvinism and the inherent defeatism of ultras on one end, or the radlib western leftists that won’t support anything outside of the imperial core on the other is worth having in and is frankly detrimental to the movement. Tbh it shouldn’t be a big bar to cross for leftists
I never said I didn't critically support China ... you inferred that, I literally would just prefer different kinds of leadership and those people do exist ... they are just more marginal than the ones you support so you are by default right bc you agree more closely with the faction in power, would you accuse a maoist in the government in China as not supporting China bc they don't agree with XJP on a theoretical basis, I guess they're just a chauvinist defeatist ultra radlib western leftist
I’m not talking about you or anything about your ideology specifically at all, I’m talking about ultras and “radlibs” getting called ultras for broadly not supporting aes and often falling into the trap of supporting imperialist nations bc that’s what we’ve been talking about up to this point.
fair enough, it's inherently sectarian though, virtually everyone who is not just a textbook ML, is basically an ultra in that definition especially if you don't inclide the "often" part bc in this community that almost never happens here, I'm sure it does on twitter and reddit
People are to the left and right of each other and that's okay most people would agree left to right mao, xi, deng and that would not cause debate so why would people using a word to make fun of someone who prefers mao politics over xi politics not punching left ... there really isn't a debate that using the word ultra would be targeting someone to the left of you, leftism does not automatically equate to good or practical or whatever ascribed values, but it is still more to the left
you do not have not support imperialist nations, by not critically supporting x country, you can firmly oppose western invention and imperialism and don't have to give props to a state that is in many other ways abhorrent ...
Lol I mean at this level that’s just cringe polcomp type shit. Politics does t exist on a flat plane. It’s really just an ultra view to say ok actually anything that isn’t particularly my interpretation of Marx is to the right of me. Everyone else was busy building something, incl non marxists to be honest. People exist all over the place wrt to interpretations of socialism, liberalism, whatever
But whatever you consider yourself, and wherever you see yourself on an imaginary plane, if your ideology consistently leads you to side with imperialist nations (sometimes no for some but generally often) and keeps you from seeing a country that lifted countless people out of poverty, has been basically the sole country to make the general gains against poverty in the last half decade and if you take them out it completely falls apart, is the only country that consistently holds capital accountable to the law and not above it, amongst millions of other advancements, or take the responses to conditions placed upon them by the imperialist west in dprk and other countries cases as universally bad and exempts them from being socialist bc you’re too caught up in believing imperialist nonsense, than that ideology should be unwelcome
CW hostile, but I also had no clue what they were saying, I'm sorry
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Ultras bad
CW hostile, I'm sorry
that's okay for you to believe, I think you would be happier in a place with less diversity of opinion
Again I’m fine with literally all stripes of socialism. I don’t agree with my anarchists comrades on stuff but I think there’s utility in their views. I specifically don’t think chauvinism and the inherent defeatism of ultras on one end, or the radlib western leftists that won’t support anything outside of the imperial core on the other is worth having in and is frankly detrimental to the movement. Tbh it shouldn’t be a big bar to cross for leftists
CW midly hostile, I'm sorry
I never said I didn't critically support China ... you inferred that, I literally would just prefer different kinds of leadership and those people do exist ... they are just more marginal than the ones you support so you are by default right bc you agree more closely with the faction in power, would you accuse a maoist in the government in China as not supporting China bc they don't agree with XJP on a theoretical basis, I guess they're just a chauvinist defeatist ultra radlib western leftist
I’m not talking about you or anything about your ideology specifically at all, I’m talking about ultras and “radlibs” getting called ultras for broadly not supporting aes and often falling into the trap of supporting imperialist nations bc that’s what we’ve been talking about up to this point.
fair enough, it's inherently sectarian though, virtually everyone who is not just a textbook ML, is basically an ultra in that definition especially if you don't inclide the "often" part bc in this community that almost never happens here, I'm sure it does on twitter and reddit
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CW hostile, I'm sorry
you are hostile and unpleasant