I used to assume this was just common leftist sense, but it seems I was mistaken, :the-more-you-know: so I'm posting this.
Fuck nazbols, no matter what LARPing they do and no matter how much they claim to be leftists. :sus-soviet:
I don't just mean one particular self-styled professional organizer that's likely currently working on their 5th "not an alt" alt account to continue sending me manifestos about how the "strong" (conveniently, and to their sick pleasure as a spectator) will surely crush the "weak" (presumably anyone that doesn't agree with them) and that "the mentally ill" (defined as anyone they don't like) must be despised, you know, for leftism. :silver-legion:
Both online and offline I don't recognize, accept, or tolerate any form of leftism that isn't intersectional and inclusive. By extension, because of the paradox of tolerance, that also means that nazbols can fuck right off. Any sort of so-called "leftist" future they dream of, where they jerk themselves off with self-serving power fantasies that exclude what they call the weak while goosestepping in Soviet military cosplay is not a future I want for myself or anyone I care about. :nyet:
It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that any organizing attempt that excludes "the mentally ill" as the aforementioned nazbol put it, or LGBTQIA+ people, or does any bigoted wrecker ideology under pretense of "removing divisiveness" :lmayo: :us-foreign-policy: can also fuck right off.
One more thing: "organize or die" becomes a destructive slogan if it is twisted into the nazbol belief that "the weak" must be ostracized for the sake of organization. Nothing of value will be organized if the organizers are grandiose hateful selfish assholes. :disgost:
Nazbols fuck off. :pit:
Edit: Removed some unintentionally ableist terms. The message is the same, and truly they weren't needed anyway.
im against fedjacketing a lot bc sometimes ppl are just stupid, but im convinced haz has some connections to some alphabet agency. his messaging is so obviously misleading-- using ML word salads and claiming to be anti-capitalist, anti-west, and pro-AES all the while pushing reactionary lines of thought that harm the revolutionary cause at home. the way he does it is so effective its hard to believe he is just a misled idiot, he has to be doing this for nefarious purposes (fed or right opportunist). he literally only attracts confused anti-capitalists and then turns them into even more confused reactionaries.
i only know this bc i checked out his stream to see what the deal was and watched on a few occasions for abt an hour just out of morbid curiosity. i think its actually helpful to understand these peoples rhetoric to better combat it irl
combatting them p much boils down to: you cant exclude the most marginalized groups bc they are the most revolutionary groups. if you have a "socialist" group thats just a bunch of cishet yt dudes, they wont get much done bc they will tend to uphold institutions that benefit them. any reactionary beliefs must be unacceptable in a socialist org. anyone who argues that inclusivity and fighting reactionary tendencies alienates people aren't recruiting for socialism, they are recruiting for fascism, no matter how they dress it up with "leftist" rhetoric
also that wrecker in this thread is a perfect example of the brainrot caused by consuming Pazi media. "LGBT is Malthusian" as if people being gay or trans is bc of their INDIVIDUAL anti-natalism or whatever. it really illuminates how their ideology is infected by liberal ideals like individualism, absent of materialist investigation. instead of recognizing that LGBT struggles are co-opted by capitalists to cast a wider profit-seeking net, they conflate LGBT struggles with capitalist pink-washing. wrecker even said "Mao.. supported rightists" just bc he met with nixon. absolutely brainwormed, confused ideology
wtf is "lgbt is malthusian" even supposed to mean lol?
very funny phrase. its anti-malthusianism (which is good, malthusianism is often just eugenics) but mixed with the classic reactionary take that gay people are causing birth rates to fall. instead of the more reasonable conclusion that birth rates are determined by material condition. over the past 200 years birth rates have fallen bc less children die. however, birth rates are falling even further due to rising income inequality, as less people are able to support children. new deal policies enabled more people to support children, and when those policies were enacted the birth rates went back up to support a stable population growth. now the west is facing similar problems as it did in the pre/early depression era and we are seeing birth rates declining in a rate that is causing population decline
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It’s been a right wing talking point for a while that queer people are hedonistic and will sacrifice the future for the present because they “can’t have kids” and therefore don’t care about the world that far into the future. I heard it all the time hate-watching Fox. Guess these “leftists” (don’t laugh!) have picked it up
reactionaries doing projection? color me shocked
edit: also that doesn't really relate to malthusianism
Malthusianism has become memetically diluted to mean misanthropy
Cishet nuclear families never neglect their kids in favor of hedonistic indulgences. Never ever, bucko! :jordan-eboy-peterson:
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Gonna second this one based on personal experience. A lot of people will legitimately regress in their class consciousness in order to defend some sense of pride over their ingroup. Like people who were fully on board with labor action torpedoing shit because of The Gay Agenda or Performative Wokeness. They’ll take a look at a labor union in its infancy and literally go side with management when they start union busting. Like if I tell you, “management is gonna start trying to find wedge issues and one of those is gonna be to get you to throw Anon under the bus,” in no fucking circumstance should your response to be to immediately comply with management.
The flip side of this is that there are people who do have super bigoted beliefs but have the sense to hold their fucking tongue and not act like a puppet on a string the minute someone says one of the conservative culture war trigger words. This always kills me when stupidpol types are ranting about how you have to organize with bigots. You know what? Yeah, you do. And you know what that involves? Getting them to shut the fuck up about that bigotry. And generally as a result they become less bigoted because organizing is about building relationships and getting closer to people is the number 1 way to undo bigoted beliefs
good point, some of those we organize with hold reactionary ideas in their heads. doesnt mean we have to let them air out those ideas. if they are offended by us pushing back against their bigotry they can leave the movement. we dont need people who spread ideas that uphold capital and its institutions in our ranks. for every openly bigoted person we associate with, we alienate many times more marginalized people. they can shut up about their culture war hangups or get out. we support black, indigenous, womens', gay, trans, etc. liberation, no exceptions
I wonder if we could call them "hazi" if the numerous other adopted titles are totally not exactly the kind of hate and stupidity they are currently into.