careful, you can get lost in these stories they are kind of a train wreck. the worst one I've read about so far was (cw: torture) the attackers who tortured a guy for an hour with a heavy drill and made his four-year-old daughter watch

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    2 years ago

    I'm a tech bro that says meatspace, partly cause like comrade Ligma_Male said it emphasizes that what happens on the internet is still real, partly cause meatspace sounds cyberpunk as fuck, but mostly because it makes it easier to revitalize the term "cyberspace" as its corollary and that will always make me think of 90s TV writers trying to write about technology they dont understand and youth lingo they don't understand

    can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Online/offline is probably fine enough if "real" is too dated, which it probably is. To me, reducing life itself to "meat" is both reductionist and sort of :im-vegan: hostile at the same time, kind of grotesque and diminishing with the implication that an internet connection magically makes things enlightened and transcendent by comparison.

      • crime [she/her, any]
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        2 years ago

        The "meat" refers to the things that humans are made of and has nothing to do with :im-vegan: people unless they've developed cell walls and chloroplasts recently. Online/offline are adjectives to describe state, not the places themselves.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          How is that not both reductionist and kind of gross to say or hear for people that don't eat meat?

          It's like the "calling women feeeeeemales" :quark: thing. You can't blame the listener for not liking the reductionist talk.

          • crime [she/her, any]
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            2 years ago

            It’s like the “calling women feeeeeemales”

            lmaoooooo between the two of us I don't think you're the most qualified to be making that analogy

            And I'm sorry but if the mere word meat is upsetting to you then you should probably not spend any more of your time in cyberspace.

            It's not any more reductionist than any other synechdoche. You're welcome to cut that whole rhetorical device out from your vocabulary if you don't like it. I do, I will be keeping it. This doesn't seem to be a productive conversation so I'm not going to reply again.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              lmaoooooo between the two of us I don’t think you’re the most qualified to be making that analogy

              Sounds like you're taking the criticism personally and the "lmaoooooo" doesn't hide that. You can take it or leave it but sounds like you want to turn it into a slapfight.

              If you can't see how eye-rolling or kind of gross your high and mighty labeling of "meatspace" can be, clearly bringing it up is just making you act even more arrogant.

              Keep doing it. I can't stop you. It may make you seem arrogant and obnoxious outside of your clique but that's your problem.

              • crime [she/her, any]
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                2 years ago

                How the fuck am I concern trolling? I like the expression, you've gone on like a five-post tirade about how it's inherently offensive because it has the word "meat" in it

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  I’m not going to reply again.

                  Again, be arrogant and reductionist about other living people and their lived experiences anywhere you like, but sometimes it may not be well received.

                  • crime [she/her, any]
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                    2 years ago

                    What's your fucking problem? I clearly wanted to disengage but then you came in here calling me a concern troll for pointing out that it's ridiculous for someone who isn't a woman to compare usage of the term 'meatspace' to men actively dehumanizing us by calling us 'females'

                    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      you’ve gone on like a five-post tirade

                      I’m not going to reply again.

                      I feel "meatspace" is dehumanizing and reductionist. You did a "lmaoooooooo" reply and mocked me for feeling that way.