Isn't that how fascism got its start? The sentiment that socialists were ineffective and indecisive, and taking advantage of the vacuum left by conflicts between socialists and liberals...also that is as much on liberals refusing to compromise leftwards as the contrapositive
my impression is the contrary, it was the success of socialism at capturing mass opinion that frightened the petit bourgeois into pumping money and resources into fascist movements
But the fascists themselves at least claimed to be a third way beyond liberalism and socialism which they saw as ineffective right? Even before the petit bourgeois started backing them
Fascists didn't claim to be a third way until they were being pumped full of money. Before that they were mostly former soldiers turned into lumpen-proles and gangsters, who thought that they had been sold out by either the socdems, liberals or socialists. It wasn't about perceived weakness or ineffectiveness on the left, it was about how to achieve personal power regardless of rhetoric. One of the reasons leftists are "holier than thou" (which, to be frank, is simply ludicrous for actually existing popular leftist movements of the era) was because of fascists stealing their popular messaging and language with no actual intention of attempting to deliver on those promises, and in many cases, do the opposite of what they were advocating for.
And this is besides the point that, in practice, fascists are liberals without a pretense of liberal philosophy or civility fetish.
Isn't that how fascism got its start? The sentiment that socialists were ineffective and indecisive, and taking advantage of the vacuum left by conflicts between socialists and liberals...also that is as much on liberals refusing to compromise leftwards as the contrapositive
my impression is the contrary, it was the success of socialism at capturing mass opinion that frightened the petit bourgeois into pumping money and resources into fascist movements
But the fascists themselves at least claimed to be a third way beyond liberalism and socialism which they saw as ineffective right? Even before the petit bourgeois started backing them
Fascists didn't claim to be a third way until they were being pumped full of money. Before that they were mostly former soldiers turned into lumpen-proles and gangsters, who thought that they had been sold out by either the socdems, liberals or socialists. It wasn't about perceived weakness or ineffectiveness on the left, it was about how to achieve personal power regardless of rhetoric. One of the reasons leftists are "holier than thou" (which, to be frank, is simply ludicrous for actually existing popular leftist movements of the era) was because of fascists stealing their popular messaging and language with no actual intention of attempting to deliver on those promises, and in many cases, do the opposite of what they were advocating for.
And this is besides the point that, in practice, fascists are liberals without a pretense of liberal philosophy or civility fetish.