I really like this piece by Simone Weil on The Iliad. It discusses the dehumanizing nature of force and how the Iliad is fairly alone in the western canon in how it treats the reality of war and violence very simply and evenly, revealing the depth of its horror.
saying this like the first chapter of the iliad isn't about achilles & agamemnon fighting over which trojan women to keep as slaves.
before you call me a treat defender i don't necessarily approve of grr martin, i haven't read his books---but the iliad is not an appropriate riposte. ancient greeks were extremely gung-ho about patriarchal violence and any text which treats women as people is on better moral footing than the iliad
the iliad does not have 'monstrous characters'. the moral content of the text is monstrous. explicit depiction ala GOT is not the only bad way to have this stuff, i'd argue its close to as bad or worse to present such things as completely ordinary and okay like the Iliad does.
you're so aggro everytime anyone disagrees with you, thats why i tried to pre-empt but i should've just not engaged. i really have not read GoT.
i have read the iliad, i'm really repulsed by its sexpolitics, and it bothers me that you'd bring it up as a counterexample for bad handling of SV. that's it.
I really like this piece by Simone Weil on The Iliad. It discusses the dehumanizing nature of force and how the Iliad is fairly alone in the western canon in how it treats the reality of war and violence very simply and evenly, revealing the depth of its horror.
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saying this like the first chapter of the iliad isn't about achilles & agamemnon fighting over which trojan women to keep as slaves.
before you call me a treat defender i don't necessarily approve of grr martin, i haven't read his books---but the iliad is not an appropriate riposte. ancient greeks were extremely gung-ho about patriarchal violence and any text which treats women as people is on better moral footing than the iliad
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the iliad does not have 'monstrous characters'. the moral content of the text is monstrous. explicit depiction ala GOT is not the only bad way to have this stuff, i'd argue its close to as bad or worse to present such things as completely ordinary and okay like the Iliad does.
you're so aggro everytime anyone disagrees with you, thats why i tried to pre-empt but i should've just not engaged. i really have not read GoT.
i have read the iliad, i'm really repulsed by its sexpolitics, and it bothers me that you'd bring it up as a counterexample for bad handling of SV. that's it.
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