• Vampire [any]
    hexagon
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    3 months ago

    It is on the believers of magic to present evidence of magic, and this is a task not a single person in all of history has managed even once.

    They keep saying this dogmatically, but you can't just keep saying "The literature does not exist. There is no published literature." when there is tens of thousands of pages of it.

    Nothing worth anything.

    Now this is a different claim. So what flaws are in this PDF for example?

    • Abracadaniel [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      It's not dogmatic. no one can directly perceive neutrinos or the cosmic background radiation yet we've discovered and intensely studied both. Why hold parapsychology to a lower standard?

      • Vampire [any]
        hexagon
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        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Nobody's holding it to a lower standard. On the contrary, it's held to very high standards of rigor because of the taboo.

        e.g. one research guideline is that the research team should have a skeptic and a believer (e.g. Bem and Honorton). We don't require such exacting standards for pharma research because it doesn't threaten our metaphysical beliefs (just the lives of our loved ones)

        Blinded drug trials don't rigorously guard against the blinding being broken by sensory leakages (granted they do take some precautions).

        The idea that "parapsychology research is held to low standards" is an old canard

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          3 months ago

          Blinded drug trials don't rigorously guard against the blinding being broken by sensory leakages (granted they do take some precautions).

          The null hypothesis of drug trials isn't that they're recieving information from material sources.

          • Vampire [any]
            hexagon
            ·
            3 months ago

            Yes it is, the null hypothesis is the placebo hypothesis.

            • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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              3 months ago

              Vampire, I want you to understand that I'm being completely serious when I say this, and it isn't just a derogatory putdown: Shut up about things you don't understand. This is full blown "crystal healing is quantum vibrations" level of completely misunderstanding science. The placebo effect does not involve any information and isn't even comparable as a null hypothesis - the equivalent is that the effect comes from other medications than the one being tested, which is controlled for as rigorously as spoopy ghost idiots are expected to control for sensory leakage.

              Plus, even if you had any idea what you were talking about with the placebo effect - that's fucking controlled for! That's the whole point! That's why you have to fucking do a placebo group and double blinds and shit! This is all basic things you'd understand if your spookum had any relation to real sciences.