• EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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      that’s kinda weird though. because there are plenty of “immaterial” (actually probably material in weird ways) things that provably exist in material reality. like radiation is fucking weird and nobody even knows what’s going on with consciousness. Weird shit can still exist in a material world, it’s just material weird shit. So “ghosts” could exist but they’d probably be part of a natural law or phenomenon of material reality we just don’t understand yet. I mean they almost definitely don’t because there’s like no falsifiable proof or evidence, I just mean as a general principle for weird shit in general

      • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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        3 months ago

        (actually probably material in weird ways)

        That's the key - air, radiation, gravity, all the "invisible" parts of the universe are material. They have material effects that are distinguishable from them not having an effect. Putting gold foil in front of a radiation source will prove radiation's realness as the particles punch holes in the foil.
        One of the key claims of ESP is that it doesn't act in a material way, instead being some weird vibe that nothing can detect except our brains, which are special because reasons. Electrons, neutrinos, even time travelling tachyons are actual, physical objects that exist and can be detected, electromagnetism and gravity will pull objects towards them, but ESP is based on the idea of there being something that doesn't interact with any other part of the universe, but somehow still grants us awareness of other parts of the universe.

      • davel [he/him]
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        I was talking about, “materialism literally is not about no spiritual stuff existing.” Dialectical materialism, among other things, literally is about no spiritual stuff existing. The Chinese Communist Party to this day is atheist, and while it tolerates religions, its position is that their destiny is to wither away.