“The movement have now deflated tyres on around 9,000 SUVs in cities across the world since March, striking continuously, and look set to surpass their goal of 10,000 SUVs deflated by Christmas,” the statement added.

The group has said its aim is “to make it impossible to own an SUV in the world’s urban areas”, condemning the vehicles as “unnecessary ‘luxury emissions’, flaunted by the wealthy, that are a climate disaster, cause air pollution and make our roads more dangerous”.

lol, lmao

  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    No, I'm saying "punish a few people for X and you'll lower the incidence of X" usually doesn't hold water if X is in any way desirable.

    There's a wealth of literature that extremely harsh penalties for recreational drug use don't deter recreational drug use. So why would a relatively mild penalty for driving an SUV deter people from buying SUVs?

    • Chred01 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Because the things are so entirely different that your analogy makes 0 sense in the actual world.

      Sorry man, this isn’t academic hypotheticals. It worked in Sweden in 2019 so idk what to tell you.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        How well do speeding tickets keep people from speeding?

        It worked in Sweden in 2019

        If something worked once but failed a million other times, "it worked once" isn't very convincing.

        • Chred01 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Cool, I listed the worked once now list a million other times it hasn’t. I’ll wait until you get to one million.

            • Chred01 [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Yes, we need more global action like the one that worked in Sweden in 2019. I agree.

                • Chred01 [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  https://internationalfleetworld.com/european-car-market-drops-in-june-as-suv-sales-decline/

                  -25% in 2019 compared to the European market decline of 7%. Not saying all of that is due to this action, and nobody could, but an effective decrease of an additional 18% in sales is nothing to sneeze at.

                  Edit: Sorry, that was just June 2019. I will continue looking for further sources after I’m done eating dinner

            • Chred01 [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              That’s global sales. Nice to try to use obviously unrelated statistics as a cudgel to stop climate action though. Very cool!

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                If this worked a million other times, you'd see some widespread effect.

                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Lol then what’s the comment about “this has worked a million other times” supposed to even mean? This is Looney Tunes land

                      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                        2 years ago

                        I misread this:

                        when was it tried a million other times, dipass?

                        As "when it was tried."

                        The original comment was still far away from getting the point, which is that there are tons of examples of similar strategies not working (see speeding tickets doing a poor job of getting people to drive the speed limit). You don't need to try this exact thing a million times to look at similar things and question its value.

                        • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          those things are not similar and you should shut up and read the book that has been recommended to you dozens of times by now

                          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                            2 years ago

                            If a bunch of people who've read the book can't come up with a convincing explanation of how deflating SUV tires is supposed to do anything, I'm not going to get that from the book, either.

                            :PIGPOOPBALLS:

                            • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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                              2 years ago

                              it's been explained multiple times. did you lose the ability to read? i know american literacy is in the toilet but you're just ridiculous.

                              there's an audio version linked in the book club threads, go listen to the book, jackass. don't talk to me again until you have. generally adult books are not able to be compressed into 2 paragraph forum comments.

                              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                                2 years ago

                                Fuuuuuuuuck off.

                                The explanation provided is dubious at best and meaningless correlation at worst. Others have pointed this out. People don't automatically agree with what you say just because you said it. Learn how to convince people instead of this online "I guess you can't READ" bullshit.

                • Chred01 [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Almost like deflating tires of SUVs as a means of climate action hasn’t been tried a million other times and is different than giving someone a speeding ticket. Weird.

                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    Lol then what's the comment about "this has worked a million other times" supposed to even mean? This is Looney Tunes land

                    • Chred01 [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      I’ve never said anything about this working a million times at all. As far as I know you are the only one who brought up “million other times” in reference to your theory on incentives and ticketing and putting people in jail for drugs or whatever. I’ve never made a claim that this has been “tried a million times”

                      And now I’d appreciate it if you’d stop engaging with me. At this point you aren’t even making sense and responding to me as if I claimed something that you brought into the conversation to begin with.

    • Chred01 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Also, newsflash driving an SUV might be slightly less addictive than heroine. Not sure though, might have to check the extensive literature.