Blue checkmark strikes again

  • Parzivus [any]
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    2 years ago

    we are not honoring Tubman simply because of the ops she ran or the intel she collected

    So damn slimy to conflate the underground railroad with CIA ops

    • Weedian [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      wholesome chungus proto OSS operator Harriet Tubman

    • Hotspur21 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It is, but she actually became a spy for the northern military after the Underground Railroad

  • Rem [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    If the CIA were around then they would absolutely try and expose/kill her

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Then afterwards they could make a comedic movie about two agents butting heads, one CIA and one FBI (both white for obvious reasons) as they try to catch a person who's breaking the law, and much like with villains like killmonger in black panther, while you agree with most of what she's about she'll be given a ridiculous motive that would make the viewer not stand with her.

      • Rem [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Omg the whole thing with that guy in black panther was so embarrassing

        • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          1st act of the movie: Oh hey, Ulysses Klaue is gonna be the villain, can't wait to see him get turned into a being of pure sound due to fucking with the Wakandan's vibranium

          Rest of the movie: :agony-limitless:

    • CommunistBear [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      That was absolutely my first thought. She was illegally seizing "property" from wealthy landowners. She would have been arrested and killed asap

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred, and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their deaths, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names, to a certain extent, for the ‘consolation’ of the oppressed classes, and with the object of duping the latter, while, at the same time, robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge, and vulgarizing it."

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Basically why MLK would still be considered a 'controversial' figure if he was still alive, given he was a socialist and also aimed for reparations and what sounds like teaching children critical race theory. If I recall correctly, I believe he was also anti-imperialist.

      • Tormato [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        All of the above.

        As Cornel West refers to it, the “Santa Claus-ification” of MLK was designed to sanitize a radical into an innocuous, religious leader acceptable for white mass consumption. During his life he was vilified constantly, and especially in the last year of his life when polled in high negatives, for being a “troublemaker.” Now he’s regarded as an exemplary citizen, safely in the ground for 5 decades. Same with Mandela when he died. Media rushed to exalt him for his courage and commitment, ignoring how he was similarly vilified relentlessly.

        This Tubman/CIA is so grotesque beyond anything. The goddamn CIA - who have overthrown over 50 democratically elected governments around the world, for the crime of being socialist or against American imperialism.

        Complete and total revisionist propaganda, coopting the great revolutionaries for their slimy scumbag ends.

        And look at that statue! Anglicized to the core. Is that Harriet Tubman, the saint to slaves with a scar who delivered many through treacherous nighttime escapes, or someone that could be named Maureen O’Doull?

        Fuck these people.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    “During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.”

    ― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, The State and Revolution

    • jackal [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Ironically this hasn't happened much with Lenin as far as I can tell, unless you count that time Trump quoted "Lenín" recently.

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Lenin was also referring to Marx specifically. Marx's name would ironically be dragged through the mud in the Cold War, to the point that many Western Social Democratic parties would drop the pretense of being "Marxist" entirely to become presentable (SPD being the most notable). Nowadays, when Marx is referred to positively, there's always the forced disclaimer saying that Marx's message was somehow "perverted" by AES states.

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    2 years ago

    Harriet Tubman "ran ops" now? jesus what a cursed nation. she would be hiding from the CIA today.

    • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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      2 years ago

      You know, this is like the nth time I seen this joke/comparison and everytime I want to joke about "oh she would be branded a terrorist, there will be a media circus, they'll make movies about her pursuers", but realized that is roughly the same thing she faced back in her day.

      Hell, this literally happened to her:

      During a train ride to New York in 1869, the conductor told her to move from a half-price section into the baggage car. She refused, showing the government-issued papers that entitled her to ride there. He cursed at her and grabbed her, but she resisted and he summoned two other passengers for help. While she clutched at the railing, they muscled her away, breaking her arm in the process. They threw her into the baggage car, causing more injuries. As these events transpired, other white passengers cursed Tubman and shouted for the conductor to kick her off the train.

      God damn America.

  • mazdak
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    1 year ago

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