Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says the main issue for Ukraine after Russia’s invasion ends will be security.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4172472

Zelenskyy says wants Ukraine to become a ‘big Israel’

  • jackmarxist [any]
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    8 months ago

    Duh lol. What do you think will happen to the Donbass if Russia leaves?

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    They already are a US vassal and convenient military outpost, how much more Israel can they get?

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      They want the "massacring ethnic minorities using overwhelming firepower" vassal state status instead of "asset hung out to dry against opposition while getting privatized" status

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      Israel is getting F-35s while Ukraine is getting F-16s retrofited in 1995 currently all abandoned on some backyard warehouse in Denmark or something. This is of course being sent the same abandoned cold war era Mig-29s they could find in Poland etc.

      From the perspective of a Nazi, Ukraine got some ways to go and he knows they wont make it, he is jealous and he should be.

      Its amazing how the US managed to combine both the "state of the art" MIC grift e.g Javelins, HIMARS with all the cold war museum garbage they could find and think they'd win a war like that.

    • CarmineCatboy2 [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      This comment was made 2 years ago, when the Ukrainians were high on their own supply and felt they were gonna sweep Russia out of Crimea and the rest of the east. It was a declaration that all eastern ukrainians would be subject to apartheid.

  • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    This has been Ukrainian nationalists' wishes since the USSR was disbanded

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, the US has never intended to be a friend with them and simply has and is using it for US interests.

    I do feel sympathy for average Ukrainians (far far far more than I do for Israelis that's for fucking sure) who weren't nationalists, who weren't this weird anti-Soviet and then anti-Russia thing. They're being double fucked by US interests and now a literal war.

    All I can say is the only way out of hell is the same as it's been for two years. Negotiate with Russia, suck it up, maybe (probably) he'll leave Kiev alone.

    All I know is Ukraine will never have the bloodpact, "to the death" relationship that Israel has. No one with enough funding gives enough shits about Ukraine. Sorry, that's just reality.

    Honestly if I were in Ukraine I'd probably be leaning towards some sort of conditional joining of the Russian Federation. NATO is never gonna allow Ukraine in, but if Russia lets Ukraine unite in an alliance that will (or should if the US isn't trying to suicide itself...) end CIA, etc. operations in Ukraine and end realistic chances of future conflict. Of course the nationalists there, and presumably many normal Ukrainians who see Russia as the aggressor now, will not be allowing that any time soon... so... I dunno.

    Ukraine is fucked and they can blame their own Nazi nationalist dipshits and US intervention mostly. They bet on Russia being down for good after USSR fell and they bet that the US gave a shit... they were wrong on both accounts. And "they" are their right wing nationalists who were in control of things. Not to blame the overall population. They aren't as insane as the Israelis, who I will blame on a population level because holy fucking shit the polling done there... insane.

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    It won't work, the American government isn't yet stupid enough to confuse Ukraine and Israel even if you change the name from Ukraine to Big Israel.

    Say goodbye to the weapons shipments and get out your negotiating hat, Zelensky