Ok so first we have our commander go out there alone and pretend to surrender. Let's assume they will send just a few men to capture him, and after he kills them they will keep sending men one at a time, just running at him so he can kill one just before another arrives even though they have no reason not to group up and overpower him. Oh and they do also have around 100 archers in a position designed to defend this battlefield, but let's just assume 498/500 shots will miss.

Ok so after that our commander should be wounded and lie down in cover from the archers, now easily killable by a single guy with a long stick right? Let's assume at this point they will send their entire army to stand around him menacingly. This is our time to strike. Let's assume no one in the enemy army thought about why we would send our commander there alone to fight them, while we sneak our entire army there. Thank the Seven no one in this universe has learned to prepare for these sneak attacks even though all battles seem to end in one.

Then we simply run at them and form one of those chaotic messes where we all pair up to fight one of them at a time. As you all know, formations are for sissies. Any questions?

  • Budwig_v_1337hoven [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    :yea: I like to imagine they never had to develop any kind of military strategy or tactic cause they have flying nuke-drones in medieval realm land which are so op they never needed them until now (when this military genius invented the cave)

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Gambo's battle scenes have always been awful, but this scene was especially awful. Worse than the battle of the bastards, which until now has been my benchmark for extremely stupid medieval battle scenes. That's why the best battle scene in the show is the one where Tyrion gets KO'd at the start and they skip to the aftermath.

    The bigger failure IMO is the lack of imagination in their entire portrayal of the war with the crab man. The idea here is that it's a war that Daemon thought would be easy and winnable, but then it dragged on for years and never ended - if you really want to sell that concept to the audience, you have to invoke Iraq and Afghanistan. Show us a scene of Daemon and his knights marching around the islands and getting ambushed from the caves. Show us them talking about building trust among the islanders while committing war crimes on them. Go full fucking hog to build this war as one that dragged on, because as it is the war itself just seems to involve a bunch of people camping out on one island until they were almost out of food when they suddenly decided to attack the other island.

    • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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      2 years ago

      Iraq/Afghanistan doesn't even make sense though, the Crab Guy literally rolled in and conquered the islands like months before. he & his were from the other side of the sea trying to expand their influence. something like that dragging on would be because neither side fully committed and left it like some kind of low intensity proxy conflict to occupy Daemon's attention (and like, disrupt and cost money to westeros from the other side ig, their motives are pretty mysterious tbh)

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        My thought is more about using visual language the audience is familiar with to tell the story of a war not going as planned, not making it a direct parallel.

  • 21018 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It wasn't good but gambo never did action scenes well. People on free folk were saying arrows at range would bounce off plate armor but idgaf about military history to verify

    • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Nah, it seems like they're kinda correct. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/9424/how-effective-were-longbow-archers-against-plate-armored-infantry

      Regardless, boring scene, disappointing end to a villain they had built up for every previous episode

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, arrows don't really work against plate. If you shoot the heaviest bows you can make at plate armor from short range at exactly a 90* angle they'll punch maybe a half an inch through the armor. The padding you wear under the armor will stop it from even scratching you. The only way they work against full plate armor is if you can saturate the area until you get lucky and hit guys in the gaps in their armor.

  • Rem [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Is this a reference to lord of the rings

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    i was hoping for more backstory to Crab Wrangler, but instead i got this Saturday morning cartoon hero fighting through a horde of storm troopers with Crabby's unceremonious quartering off screen. they did my boy dirty... like Bunk and McNulty in an interrogation room with a case of Miller Genuine Draft. "you gonna waste that crab gut?"

    it's weird to me how HBO can make dramatic shows like The Leftovers and like Rome, Six Feet Under, Carnivale etc, where like i find myself thinking about characterization 10 years later..... and then like totally whiff others while they drop wheelbarrow loads of cash into production value. maybe weird is the wrong word. disappointing?

    • Chump [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The Wire Season 2 has such amazingly superb writing, and such amazingly bad politics lol. I wish The Greek showed up later on :'(

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        The Wire in general was such a mixed bag. Even when portraying the police as violent, unaccountable monsters who aimlessly lash out at and torment the public they couldn't help but pull their punches and focus more on how sad the bulging-eyed gammon cop was that people were lecturing him about how bad his actions looked and him being scared he'd face charges for all the money he stole (but escaped consequences for anyways).

        Not surprising since it was written by a journalist and a former cop.

      • Kaputnik [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If you ignore the bad union politics stuff, you can kind of read a strained message about how the federal prosecutors were more interested in busting the union than going after the Greek

  • D61 [any]
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    2 years ago

    I thought this was going to be a Dune post until I started reading the comments. :data-laughing:

  • Chump [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I get what they were going for (Daemon has crisis of faith that he's the most baddest ass dude to ever live, and has crisis subsequently averted by surviving against the most dummy thick odds imaginable), but holy crap it was so silly to watch. Definite situation where just telling Viserys it happened after the fact would have carried so much more weight. You could even intersperse the information with clips of him killing a dude here and there, then bookend the sequence with Daemon holding the Crabfeeder's corpse at the end.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    hiding in caves only works when the enemy doesn't know exactly where you fucking are, Mr Dragon Man could've burned them all out, or they could've regular style burnt a bunch of brush to literally smoke them out. Writers heard that Taliban hid in caves and then put a couple caves right on the fucking beach as if that were the same thing

  • Acute_Engles [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    My partner is really enjoying the show so while we were watching this scene I just gritted my teeth and didn't say anything