EDIT: I'm very proud of this community. All the posts are making me think and solidly criticizing from an anti-imperialist perspective. Thanks, hexbear

  • Ideology [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Bourgeoisie states bad is a controversial take on hexbear dot net

    • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Calling bourgeois states that are the enemy of your own imperialist bourgeois nation “bad” during war is indeed chauvinism and failing your internationalist duty

      • UncleJoe [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I'm sure the russian war effort was severely impacted by this meme on an obscure bear enthusiast forum

        • geikei [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          It does represent the prevailing stance in even the "radical" western left and that's the best case scenario since the prevailing stance is more pro NATO than even that. So it's naturalfor users to try and push back and argue against it

          • UncleJoe [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            If chauvinists reveal themselves in a time of crisis then all the better, but you don't fight against it by just stanning the opposite side to the other dudes lmao

            Lenin didn't spend all day defending the German and Austro-Hungarian war effort

            • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              He did excoriate and scold his local Kautskyites and social chauvinists though, which is what we are doing here.

                • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  Famous for being social chauvinists who refused to do revolutionary defeatism, like anyone in here who doesn’t land firmly on one side of this conflict. Revolutionary defeatism is not fence sitting, it entails siding firmly against your own side and with the enemy of your side

                  • UncleJoe [comrade/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    Then I think you might be confused what revolutionary defeatism means. You're right it is aligning yourself against your own government, but it most certainly is not unflinchingly supporting the other guy. It's not "fence-sitting" to recognize the proletariat has absolutely nothing to gain from the war in any outcome, unless you think Lenin was a Kautskyite chauvinist, revolutionary defeatism means seizing the opportunity of bougies being weak and disunited to seize proletarian power by trying to turn the war into civil war. This is why NATO collectively shitting themselves and killing themselves with sanctions would be a good consequence of the war -- provides an ample opportunity for communists to agitate against their own governments, provided you actually seize it. Likewise, Russian communists should oppose the war and fight against their own government, not unflinchingly support NATO, no? (if KRPF and Zyuganov weren't cucked to Putin, that is). This doesn't require you to sit on any "side", quite the opposite, since revolutionary defeatism inherently acknowledges that communists should take no side, but take advantage of it to sabotage and rally against their own state in whatever way they can.

            • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Lenin didn’t spend all day defending the German and Austro-Hungarian war effort

              He did, however, spend all day scolding the “socialists” around him to stop being chauvinists when they spent all day talking about enemy imperialists instead of focusing on their own bourgeoise, their own nation.

      • Ideology [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I'm just being annoying because I've got better stuff to do than argue this.

        So...bye!

        • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          This shallow surface-level refusal to engage with context and just have a pithy remark is exactly why you are coming to the wrong conclusions

                • Ideology [she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  Lol, I hope the SCO wins. I just think Russian Federation stans cling too hard to black-and-white reasoning and think they're annoying. Who'dve thought geopolitics is multifaceted.

                  • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    Ironically it’s you that is using a shallow surface level stance and the “Russia Stans” who have the most nuanced understanding of the Ukrainian conflict

                • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  I think at the end of the day it is moralism. They have a deep, deep seated hatred of Russia and Russia is always evil and bad to them. That colors their judgment and makes them take the incorrect stance, when they may otherwise have seen the truth clearly (Compare support for Libya or Palestine, which few here would oppose, to support for Russia. All of them are capitalist nations being colonized and attacked by imperialists, but only 2 of the 3 get any type of critical support… for some reason)

    • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Palestine, Iran, Yemen, Syria, Libya are all evil and bad! They are just as evil as NATO. Let them fight