Any talk by carnists about how "Well, if only you weren't so rude" is a smokescreen. Merely describing our views is met with thought-terminating cliches and accusations of wrecking, both of which get much more highly upvoted than our own comments.
Even if (as a lot of users have been claiming) the recent vegan posts were the result of wreckers, the response by the majority of the userbase has been so much more alienating than those original posts could be. The events of a year and a half ago are a lot less important to me than what I'm seeing today.
And what I'm seeing today is that Hexbear is about as vegan-friendly of a site as Reddit is: the movement is siloed within its own comm, has to regularly community ban people who wander in to snipe at it, and is met with extreme hostility anytime it ventures out into the main site.
(looks at link) Oh look, it's the friendly neighborhood end-justifies-the-means poster.
Beam, I think it may be the case that decommodification is a path to veganism, or at least something close to it. How many people would eat meat if they had to do the slaughtering themselves, or dairy if they had to do all that it entails, instead of simply buying it from a store?
Pedantic voice: decommodification doesn't mean everyone will make their own food
I'm vegan just pedantic
That's true but even a "local rancher" (or anyone who made animal products directly for human consumption) would be hard-pressed to proportionally come anywhere near to matching the level of cruelty of CAFOs. When an animal isn't seen as just a representation of money, there becomes more of an emphasis on "quality".