Any talk by carnists about how "Well, if only you weren't so rude" is a smokescreen. Merely describing our views is met with thought-terminating cliches and accusations of wrecking, both of which get much more highly upvoted than our own comments.

Even if (as a lot of users have been claiming) the recent vegan posts were the result of wreckers, the response by the majority of the userbase has been so much more alienating than those original posts could be. The events of a year and a half ago are a lot less important to me than what I'm seeing today.

And what I'm seeing today is that Hexbear is about as vegan-friendly of a site as Reddit is: the movement is siloed within its own comm, has to regularly community ban people who wander in to snipe at it, and is met with extreme hostility anytime it ventures out into the main site.

  • pocket_tofu [she/her,fae/faer]
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    2 years ago

    I disagree with MF Broom. You should stop hurting others as soon as possible. It's not that hard. Check out the resources in the sidebar.

    • MF_BROOM [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :shrug-outta-hecks: I guess we'll see which approach works out in the marketplace of ideas!

      But for real, I suspect more aggressive/confrontational approaches work for some non-vegans, while less confrontational approaches works better for other non-vegans. That's fine, I think there is merit in both, and I don't necessarily always stick to one or the other anyways. At the end of the day, people have to want to change for themselves, no one else can do it for them. But there can be value in planting a seed, too.

      Edit: I also never said they shouldn't stop eating animals ASAP, I even said that there's nothing stopping them from cutting it out cold turkey like others have. But it would be naive to think that approach works for everybody. It still sounds like this person isn't yet fully in tune with all the ethics and morality around veganism anyways if they're saying they're effectively too lazy to go full vegan right now (that's how you know someone isn't serious about it...yet) so if they were to immediately quit animal products without that moral framework, there's a very good chance they would fail and be back to their old ways.

    • Soap_Owl [any]
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      2 years ago

      I have not internalized how to have a constuructive relationship with normal food. At some point walmart brand frozen snack products will switch to fully vegan and I won't even notice the corn dogs are made out of tvp.