Any talk by carnists about how "Well, if only you weren't so rude" is a smokescreen. Merely describing our views is met with thought-terminating cliches and accusations of wrecking, both of which get much more highly upvoted than our own comments.
Even if (as a lot of users have been claiming) the recent vegan posts were the result of wreckers, the response by the majority of the userbase has been so much more alienating than those original posts could be. The events of a year and a half ago are a lot less important to me than what I'm seeing today.
And what I'm seeing today is that Hexbear is about as vegan-friendly of a site as Reddit is: the movement is siloed within its own comm, has to regularly community ban people who wander in to snipe at it, and is met with extreme hostility anytime it ventures out into the main site.
But have you considered what would happen if we eliminated meat/dairy subsidies, freed all the cows, and repurposed all the money toward ending human homelessness instead? Congrats, now you just made millions of cows homeless. Checkmate, vegoons!
It's true, that's definitely how it would shake out, transient cows
Liberals and conservatives (:same-picture: ) would be like "we gotta moo-ve the homeless cow encampments from our city to keep us safe, we can't have our children stepping in the cow dung all over the streets!"
Picturing a bunch of spikes in the middle of a big open field as anti-bovine architecture