I’m gonna offer something somewhat counter to the :doomer: in the replies, even though it may not be substantial.
If you know someone in real life doing this Nafo stuff get them to show you some memes and then ask if this is something for like schoolchildren like “oh is this like something students at {local elementary/middle school} are doing to show support?” And then keep acting confused when they say adults are doing it.
Believing that it's the answer, regardless of whether or not it is true, is reductionist and defeatist. An answer for what, to what end?
I'd rather have more "meat computers" around that at least have a shot at being meat-programmed (or whatever you prefer to call it) to want and to strive for something better. Hard determinism may feel soothing in a nihilistic way for some, but the implications of the message (and the dehumanizing hostility often built right into it, offputting to most people) are incidentally likely to reduce the number of people that would have otherwise been persuaded (or predetermined, whatever) to strive for a better path to begin with, even if it were true.
It's kind of doomerist to say that communists can't offer shit. We can't offer a total and lasting solution to capitalism as we are a marginalised movement but we can offer people something materially and even though that something is not very much, it A: Is still better than the nothing the reactionaries offer, B: Shows that we actually mean it when we say we're all about helping the working class.
In Austria a regional branch of the communist party realised that they could organise help for people to deal with shitty landlords or the welfare bureaucracy and they started using their government funding to run food banks instead of printing glossy flyers. It resulted in them winning the local elections in their city and although electoralism is a dead end it does show that people are ready to support those who make credible promises of improving their material situation.
Exactly. I think mutual aid done within a Marxist framework has a far greater potential for radicalising and organising the masses than most leftist movements are currently aware of.
The imperial core is not the world. Don't forget that. While the culture you live in may be a lost cause, that doesn't mean that the bulk of humanity is so lost, so kneecapped as what you see around you. We are undeniably entering a new multipolar world.
It might. I wouldn't count it as a surprise if the world ended in a nuclear fire that the US lit. But I also don't see it as a foregone conclusion. We ARE going to face civilization-ending climate change effects. We're not getting around that. But remember capital can escape for more fertile pastures before just outright dying. As dedollarization sweeps the globe, we just might have attempts at capital flight out of the US before the US actually dies. I don't know, no crystal ball, but the US might end up whimpering a lot more than it actually throws a tantrum that takes down the rest of the world. Whatever the case though, TRPF is at it's limits and we're going to see some shit in the coming years.
The historical remedy to that has historically been massive conventional warfare to destroy fixed capital, so a falling rate could encourage the US to lash out.
The imperial core will be all that’s left when the global south gets buck broken by environmental collapse, heatwaves, droughts, floods. Only question is if citizens in the core will embrace leftism when the resources/labor from the periphery run out. Or will the wave of refugees from the periphery push us towards fascism? Hard to say I guess
I still consider leftists to be “my people” even though I personally have given up hope of seeing them come to power. I love the people here on this website and value their ideas/outlook, but I just don’t see it coming to fruition.
Climate change/ecological collapse could be real opportunities for us to seize power across the world, but i think people will just give into fear and accept strongman rule. I think a dr strangelove ending for humanity is way more likely in which only select groups of people live in artificial climate bubbles while everyone outside dies from heat, starvation, and bullets.
Idk though i’m a pessimist and a defeatist which is why I’ve wasted a lot of years doing nothing with my life. So im not really worth listening to.
idk it doesn't dishearten me at all, i just pity them.
Imagine being in the trenches, getting in an artillery attack, waking up after your legs are amputated and you can't do anything but look at how Zelensky is posting le funny doggos to the oil companies buying up Ukrainian soil. Like how does that not have the opposite effect.
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I’m gonna offer something somewhat counter to the :doomer: in the replies, even though it may not be substantial.
If you know someone in real life doing this Nafo stuff get them to show you some memes and then ask if this is something for like schoolchildren like “oh is this like something students at {local elementary/middle school} are doing to show support?” And then keep acting confused when they say adults are doing it.
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being a communist doesn't mean you're smarter than non-communists. being right is not, in itself, a virtue. you got lucky is all.
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Believing that it's the answer, regardless of whether or not it is true, is reductionist and defeatist. An answer for what, to what end?
I'd rather have more "meat computers" around that at least have a shot at being meat-programmed (or whatever you prefer to call it) to want and to strive for something better. Hard determinism may feel soothing in a nihilistic way for some, but the implications of the message (and the dehumanizing hostility often built right into it, offputting to most people) are incidentally likely to reduce the number of people that would have otherwise been persuaded (or predetermined, whatever) to strive for a better path to begin with, even if it were true.
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It's kind of doomerist to say that communists can't offer shit. We can't offer a total and lasting solution to capitalism as we are a marginalised movement but we can offer people something materially and even though that something is not very much, it A: Is still better than the nothing the reactionaries offer, B: Shows that we actually mean it when we say we're all about helping the working class.
In Austria a regional branch of the communist party realised that they could organise help for people to deal with shitty landlords or the welfare bureaucracy and they started using their government funding to run food banks instead of printing glossy flyers. It resulted in them winning the local elections in their city and although electoralism is a dead end it does show that people are ready to support those who make credible promises of improving their material situation.
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Exactly. I think mutual aid done within a Marxist framework has a far greater potential for radicalising and organising the masses than most leftist movements are currently aware of.
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The imperial core is not the world. Don't forget that. While the culture you live in may be a lost cause, that doesn't mean that the bulk of humanity is so lost, so kneecapped as what you see around you. We are undeniably entering a new multipolar world.
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no it won’t, but it will make a mess on its way down
It might. I wouldn't count it as a surprise if the world ended in a nuclear fire that the US lit. But I also don't see it as a foregone conclusion. We ARE going to face civilization-ending climate change effects. We're not getting around that. But remember capital can escape for more fertile pastures before just outright dying. As dedollarization sweeps the globe, we just might have attempts at capital flight out of the US before the US actually dies. I don't know, no crystal ball, but the US might end up whimpering a lot more than it actually throws a tantrum that takes down the rest of the world. Whatever the case though, TRPF is at it's limits and we're going to see some shit in the coming years.
The historical remedy to that has historically been massive conventional warfare to destroy fixed capital, so a falling rate could encourage the US to lash out.
The imperial core will be all that’s left when the global south gets buck broken by environmental collapse, heatwaves, droughts, floods. Only question is if citizens in the core will embrace leftism when the resources/labor from the periphery run out. Or will the wave of refugees from the periphery push us towards fascism? Hard to say I guess
Yeeeaaah it’s over. The global south will get smothered by heat and the global north will embrace fascism.
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I think the left just underestimated how shitty most people are/can be.
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I still consider leftists to be “my people” even though I personally have given up hope of seeing them come to power. I love the people here on this website and value their ideas/outlook, but I just don’t see it coming to fruition.
Climate change/ecological collapse could be real opportunities for us to seize power across the world, but i think people will just give into fear and accept strongman rule. I think a dr strangelove ending for humanity is way more likely in which only select groups of people live in artificial climate bubbles while everyone outside dies from heat, starvation, and bullets.
Idk though i’m a pessimist and a defeatist which is why I’ve wasted a lot of years doing nothing with my life. So im not really worth listening to.
idk it doesn't dishearten me at all, i just pity them.
Imagine being in the trenches, getting in an artillery attack, waking up after your legs are amputated and you can't do anything but look at how Zelensky is posting le funny doggos to the oil companies buying up Ukrainian soil. Like how does that not have the opposite effect.