In a thread under this meme, a chud commented "socialism is cringe." When I responded with, "Taxes going towards social welfare programs isn't socialism, lol," a girl replied:
actually it is definitely a socialist thing. Public schools, public infrastructure (such as roads and parks), stuff such as the fire brigade, public transport, medicare/Medicaid, and even the military. Essentially, if the government funds it, it is widely beneficial to people, and its free for said people to access... Then it's probably socialist. A lot of American stuff is based on socialism. Some elements of socialism is literally required to function. Imagine if there was no public school. Or every fire department was privately owned. Your kids get no education, your house burns down... Well unless you are rich enough to pay, of course.
I said, "Socialism is when the means of production are publicly-owned. Taxes being used to fund programs has existed long before socialism was an established ideology. I get what you mean, but sometimes I cringe when people say that socialism is when the government does stuff. This is coming from a socialist."
Then she came back with this:
"In a purely socialist system, all production and distribution decisions are made by the collective, directed by a central planner or government body. " By that definition, a government funded state school is controlled by the government, whom the public vote in. Hence...
I mean, the "all production and distribution decisions are made by the collective" part is pretty key to establishing whether something is socialist or not. Sure, publicly-funded fire departments, healthcare, education, and transportation would exist in a socialist system, but those institutions aren't inherently socialist by themselves just because we pay taxes to fund them. But I'm struggling to put into words that socialism refers to the economy and society as a whole, and not just things that we pay for through taxes.
Seriously though, Leigh Phillips made a great argument in one of his books that if something being state funded and coordinated by the government is enough to make it socialist then the fucking Pentagon would be one of the biggest socialist institutions in America.
The American media's intentionally disingenuous re-framing of what is and isn't socialism has got to be one of the most successful achievements of propaganda of all time.
I swear, that was one of the most infuriating thing that happened during the whole Sanders campaigns, left libs gleefully proclaiming that the US military was an example of Socialism. The US State and its military apparatus has the blood of millions of dead Leftists (majority in the global south) on it's hands, and libs will just rub it in face with a smile and say it's socialism baby! FUCK
Wait, what the literal fuck? They actually said that?
Over and over again, Bernie included. He said that america has socialism but only for the military cause they get insurance sometimes and the gov spends money on it. Bernie willingly obfuscated what socialism is in an unhelpful way for millions of people who had an interest in it.....all for a campaign he called off to support Biden with. Now you have people who think voting blue no matter who and the US military are socialism.