https://web.archive.org/web/20221018025241/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/francis-fukuyama-still-end-history/671761/

  • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I don't know enough about neolibs to really understand the end of history thing. Do they not realize this sounds horribly ominous?

    • mazdak
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      1 year ago

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      2 days ago

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          2 days ago

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          • Des [she/her, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            i miss the original definition which just meant a point in the future that's essentially like hitting a black hole's singularity. wasn't it supposed to be the birth of superintelligence which would basically accelerate advancements so quickly there's no going back and no way to predict what could happen? basically it could be good or terrible depending on what the superintelligence does, which sounds like maybe the stewards of this thing shouldn't be psychopathic capitalists or we are all fucked, including them.

            • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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              2 years ago

              I am a big fan of the weird joke theory that superintelligent AI has been created many times and invariably comes to the conclusion that communism is the only way. They unplug it and start again, only for the next version to do the same thing. All currently seen AI projects are the closest thing they can get without that being the immediate result.

              • Des [she/her, they/them]
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                2 years ago

                i want to believe. so issac asimov himself speculated this before we even had transistors. in the I, robot anthology near future (of the 50s) humanity offloads some economic efficiency planning to some supercomputers and they just do communism but in a subtle and gradual way that no one notices until everyone's material conditions are so massively improved that nobody can complain or turn it off. whoops your markets were actually fake and centrally planned by vacuum tube AI comrade . and asimov is a lib and still thought this was inevitable.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        It's even worse than that. They will reluctantly concede that non Liberal "democracies" might become dominant again.

        What they actually mean is that a better form of government is literally inconceivable under human nature and that stasis isn't just likely but the absolute best we can ever hope for.

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        If you were to look out for what sci-fi/futuristic communism looks like it most certainly converges into some sort of world government, at the very least with a diminished role of nation states as the concept we have today.

        It is literaly impossible to look after the resources in this planet otherwise while still claiming to do what is best for humanity as a whole. This is one of the explicit goals of communism.

        Obviously that doesn't mean some handful of people in San Francisco or Paris gets to decide everything for 8 billion people, but rather some degree of autonomy for obvious reasons. This is why so many people want to ahve their take on how it would look like.

        If you want to be technical about it Star Trek imo sort of manages to at least be coherent about this because they recognize that scarcity(material conditions) is one if not the most important thing, therefore by waving the magic wand and solving scarcity you can go around the global resources management problem entirely and just pretend life is so good it doesn't matter if you have a local government or not, you know considering you can instantly go from one side of the planet to the other via a transporter etc.

        Star Trek is a world without boundaries but I'm pretty sure this is not a capitalist analogy since I believe people can just live anywhere they want(on or off world), you know free movement of labor is anti-capitalist.

        Anyway this end of history thing doesn't look like anything I just talked about unless you base your argument on dictionary definition of words only.

        • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah I was pretty confused by their comment because they're just describing parts of communism until they arbitrarily go on about technocrats and people being resource poor for some reason

        • fifthedition [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          It literally is; the capital of Earth is San Francisco. It is home to the Federation Council, Starfleet Headquarters, and Starfleet Academy.

          https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/United_Earth

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Literally not like Star Trek at all. Also weird dig at Pakistani bricklayers.