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  • itsawildrideoutthere [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    The best HD gun, assuming all other things are equal, is an AR or a similar style of gun in a HVSC intermediate cartridge. Compared to that option, a shotgun is longer, heavier, harder to aim, has worse sights, worse recoil, worse capacity, lower reliability, is not drop safe, penetrates further through walls, is louder, is more likely to cause collateral damage via the 9th pellet flyer issue, and is more prone to user induced malfunction via short stroking. Which if you havent fired a shotgun under stress is definitely gonna happen.

    • Ulyanov [any]
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      2 years ago

      Thanks for the input. Agree about ARs.

      I've shot shotguns much longer than I have handguns (since I was a kid) so my experience may be different than people entirely new to guns. Would you personally recommend a handgun before a shotgun, then?

      I feel like half of those issues can be solved by ammo selection. But I could be wrong. Also, shotguns seem more effective for community defense and potentially hunting than handguns (assuming an AR is out of budget or not an option).

      • itsawildrideoutthere [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I am fairly earnestly of the opinion that the AR is the superior home defense weapon in the states. That being said it also comes with the caveat of probably needing earmuffs or a suppressor in order to accurately function in home defense situation. an AR also due to its ease of use and broad effective range also ranks highly on community defense needs. Frankly if youre in the USA and wanna get into AR's dm me and I can help you find a good one/build a good one

        I just think a shotgun is gonna require a lot more practice and also any load you have in the shotgun that wont penetrate drywall(I often see fudds recommend birdshot which is turbo illegal) wont penetrate a meat sack either so what are you really using the gun for anyway.

        if youre shooting at someone, you are shooting to kill, full stop.

        I think if you are really not gonna do anything else with the gun, then a glock 19, decent carry ammo, and oem glock mags is probably the absolute bare minimum for home defense, please at least watch some videos on how to practice dry fire though and get some in depth knowledge on your laws, what counts as self defense, what brandishing is and why you absolutely should not do it, etc etc

        Hunting is its own ballgame and im not as familiar with that quite yet.

        • Ulyanov [any]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah we're on the same page as far as ARs go. Really hard to beat the versatility, effectiveness, an usability of an AR.

          Been a while since I looked up pen tests, and I don't have time right now since I'm at work, but iirc the right weight buckshot had similar or less penetration than other home defense rounds. But I may be misremembering. I'll check later today.

          Mostly just a question of AR > Shotgun > Handgun or AR > Handgun > Shotgun, I guess.