I am sorry, you all aren’t “anti war protesters”, you are dangerous propagandists who are literally making a mockery of the anti war movement. I have never had the pleasure of responding to 🇷🇺 ridiculous internet disinformation in person before. Thank you for the opportunity ✌🏽 https://t.co/xzTLQCymgO— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) October 28, 2022
The "Anti-war position" is not "taken up" by nazbols rather than the left unless you view socdem politicians as the left. Many socialist orgs have had generally good anti-war takes on the situation in Ukraine, including even DSA.
Now obviously the question that follows are what are any of them actually doing about it and the answer is nothing particularly effective that I am aware of, and while I don't think they are any less effective than these larouchites, I also don't really know what ought they be doing. Feels like all there is to do is make the anti-imperialist case and then do regular socialist organizing so that next time hopefully the left will be strong enough to do something about it.
I mean that's not for a lack of trying. There have been socialist organized anti-war protests about Ukraine, I've even attended one, I know people who organized protests outside of some congressional reps offices. Many of these things get like a turnout of a few dozen activists. If you think you have a way for such protests to be more successful, I'm all ears.
You're right, it's not like it was in 2003. I think part of the reason it's not probably has to do with how it's a lot easier to justify giving weapons to a country being invaded then it is to justify invading another country, even if both are the result of US imperialism and will only hurt the respective regions. Probably also doesn't help with anti-war libs that it's Biden doing it.
Lenin is figure of world historic importance resulting from him having a grasp on the conditions at the time better than anyone else. Who knows what he'd do if he was around today with a similar grasp on today's conditions. But he didn't exploit the situation in Russia alone, there was a well organized party and a massive socialist base that does not exist here today.
The "Anti-war position" is not "taken up" by nazbols rather than the left unless you view socdem politicians as the left. Many socialist orgs have had generally good anti-war takes on the situation in Ukraine, including even DSA.
Now obviously the question that follows are what are any of them actually doing about it and the answer is nothing particularly effective that I am aware of, and while I don't think they are any less effective than these larouchites, I also don't really know what ought they be doing. Feels like all there is to do is make the anti-imperialist case and then do regular socialist organizing so that next time hopefully the left will be strong enough to do something about it.
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I mean that's not for a lack of trying. There have been socialist organized anti-war protests about Ukraine, I've even attended one, I know people who organized protests outside of some congressional reps offices. Many of these things get like a turnout of a few dozen activists. If you think you have a way for such protests to be more successful, I'm all ears.
You're right, it's not like it was in 2003. I think part of the reason it's not probably has to do with how it's a lot easier to justify giving weapons to a country being invaded then it is to justify invading another country, even if both are the result of US imperialism and will only hurt the respective regions. Probably also doesn't help with anti-war libs that it's Biden doing it.
Lenin is figure of world historic importance resulting from him having a grasp on the conditions at the time better than anyone else. Who knows what he'd do if he was around today with a similar grasp on today's conditions. But he didn't exploit the situation in Russia alone, there was a well organized party and a massive socialist base that does not exist here today.
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