yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

  • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
    2·
    4 years ago

    Then you'll know gender neutral language is even more controversial in Latin America and not majority supported even in left circles, so do you really need me to get a poll from there?

    I'll be real with you. I don't know any enbies and I'm neutral towards the idea of gender neutral language itself. The whole framing around this does come from the US, and it is a huge imposition, and the fact that there are some people in Latin America who adopt this regardless of this fact doesn't do much for me. All I know is I'm allowed to be mad at the fact that bougie hipsters from America have more of a voice than 99% of regular people put together, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

    • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Then you’ll know gender neutral language is even more controversial in Latin America and not majority supported even in left circles, so do you really need me to get a poll from there?

      Women having the choice of abortion is also controversial in Latin America and you'd be surprised how many so-called progressives here would believe in some conservative trash while claiming to give a fuck, but here we are, having to be nuanced, cus your average anglo cannot be bothered to shut up and listen.

      • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I don't really understand what you're trying to say with this comment. Sorry, I'm kinda dizzy cuz I'm getting a bunch of replies and I'm not used to that haha

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
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          4 years ago

          And sorry to hear about the excess of replies, but this is a touchy subject and you should know this sort of thing is really frustrating to deal with as a latinx who has to listen to idiot anglos trying to make everything about themselves and how can they remain ignorant while being "leftists".

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
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          4 years ago

          We have a brain and we can have struggles outside your suburb. If you can't be bothered to listen to us, just shut up.

          • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            But the suburb in Latam is usually poor, because the poor transportation system means there was never a white flight. Shouldn't you be saying I'm from the city core if I'm supposed to be a delusional privileged person?

    • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
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      4 years ago

      I’ll be real with you. I don’t know any enbies and I’m neutral towards the idea of gender neutral language itself. Then why oh why do you think your opinion has any weight to a bunch of people you don't even know about?!

      The whole framing around this does come from the US, and it is a huge imposition, and the fact that there are some people in Latin America who adopt this regardless of this fact doesn’t do much for me. All I know is I’m allowed to be mad at the fact that bougie hipsters from America have more of a voice than 99% of regular people put together, and I don’t care what anyone else thinks. Don't care where it comes from, the reasoning (of including people outside of the o/a is something I respect, as you should as a so-called leftist) and "the imposition" (maybe having to think about your convo or, gasp, apologize if someone would prefer a more neutral term!) and you're acting like a bougie hipster yourself. Queer people are regular people too, we exist outside of your dipshit liberal acquaintances.

      • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Then why oh why do you think your opinion has any weight to a bunch of people you don’t even know about?!

        I don't, I just posted a fucking poll. You guys are the ones making this about my personal beliefs.

        Don’t care where it comes from, the reasoning (of including people outside of the o/a is something I respect, as you should as a so-called leftist) and “the imposition” (maybe having to think about your convo or, gasp, apologize if someone would prefer a more neutral term!) and you’re acting like a bougie hipster yourself. Queer people are regular people too, we exist outside of your dipshit liberal acquaintances.

        If that's being a bougie hipster then 99% of the population is a bougie hispter. That can't be the case, so I'm by definition not a bougie hipster. Also I'm LGBT and I have LGBT friends, and they don't use this language either. Enbies might, but I don't know any.

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
          2·
          4 years ago

          If that’s being a bougie hipster then 99% of the population is a bougie hispter. That can’t be the case so I’m by definition not a bougie hipster.

          OH MY GOD WHICH PART OF LATINAMERICA BEING CONSERVATIVE AS SHIT, SO MUCH SO THAT IT NEEDS THIS STRUGGLE SESSION DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. Uggh, I hope you're just a confused kid. Just, please, this is not liberal white americans just brainwashing us because we're too dumb and helpless to have social issues of our own.

          Also I’m LGBT and I have LGBT friends, and they don’t use this language either. Enbies might, but I don’t know any.

          I'm LGBT, being LGBT doesn't make you incapable of being insensitive or a bigot. Just ask the LGB terfs.

              • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                1·
                4 years ago

                I'm just saying I don't really appreciate the fact that you apparently think you get to be a dick and hurl abuse at me as much as you want and I just have to sit here and take it cuz i don't like a fucking word, and it's making me consider terminating this convo prematurely unless you get your shit together.

                • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  You started by putting up a poll of US latinx saying they don't use that word, which means very little. If you don't like that word, that's fine, but if you care about queer people, nb people who don't want to be forced into linguistic binaries (which is part of being a good socialist) you respect that first, maybe discuss it with them if it's good for the both of you, but to act like this is some sort of anglo conspiracy is ridiculous. You should know better than anyone how oppresively conservative our latinamerican countries can be and how that can seep into us, even if we can't see it.