yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

  • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
    3·
    4 years ago

    Sure, like English is, but this doesn't mean anything to Americans. It says something to American Hispanics because they're a minority from the US that often isn't that connected to the original culture and sees the issue through the lens of being a racial minority.

    • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I don't even know what to make of this comment, what are you even arguing here? My point is that there is nothing about saying Spanish is a colonial language that is exclusive to Latinos in the diaspora

      • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
        2·
        4 years ago

        My point is that there is nothing about saying Spanish is a colonial language that is exclusive to Latinos in the diaspora

        Removed from context maybe, but in the context of that comment this is exactly what I'm arguing and I expect anyone from Latam to have my back on this.

            • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Spanish settlers came and conquered the natives and created an entire political and ideological apparatus to justify their exploitation of them. Part of this was making other languages other than Spanish taboo and subject to punishment, legal or otherwise. This culture and ideology has not dissapeared in these countries and the erasure of a colonial past is part of that.

              • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                2·
                4 years ago

                Roman settlers came and conquered the Gauls and created an entire political and ideological apparatus to justify their exploitation of them. Part of this was making other languages other than Latin taboo and subject to punishment, legal or otherwise. This culture and ideology has not dissapeared in these countries and the erasure of a colonial past is part of that.

                All of this is true, but try to tell a French person this. See if this makes them not identify with the French language

                  • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                    2·
                    4 years ago

                    I don't get what your problem with what I was saying was then. It's definitely true that this argument that you shouldn't identify with Spanish because it was "imposed to you" and it's not your real culture or whatever only has any currency with the American Hispanics.

                      • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                        2·
                        4 years ago

                        Any language is not sacred. The underlying assumption that makes the argument work is that colonization means it's not our "real" culture. The argument makes no sense without it

                        • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
                          1·
                          4 years ago

                          The argument is that it is just one language among many and not a particularly privileged or special language that needs "preserving."